A buddy of mine got basically the same setup as me, running 17 pounds on pump gas, on a t3/t4 60 trim.

here's his setup "9:1 CP Pistons, Eagle Rods, GSR Cams, Victorx IM, t3/t4 60 trim .63 a/r EL Exhaust Manifold, 3'' DP/Exhaust, Omni Power Springs/Retainers, Tial 38mm.

Tuning at 17psi on 93 octane"



Credits.
Owner : Matt
Tuner : Synapse Motorsport

I'll have everything else, but the springs retainers, so I wont even be able to rev that high, i know its not my car and mine will have a differnet power, but setups are similar and im pretty sure, I'll come at least close to that.

What are the simple things I have left to upgrade (cant go any more boost on pump gas, and I do not want a bigger turbo), to reach 400whp, so like approximately 20 more hp.

Thanks.

 

What type of intercooler will you be running? That can play a factor. Port and polish your head, and get a bigger throttle body.

 

more timing . but really, get a set of gsr cams -- that will help

 

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This setup does have GSR cams and he said his is like it... am i missing something?

a cam upgrade would be unsafe with a stock valvetrain (all depending on what cams your going with though, Skunk2 Stage1's run on stock valvetrain)

380 @17Psi seems a little low to me. Regardless I would upgrade your Valvetrain and run a higher cam profile, Maybe a cheap ITR or skunk2 Valvetrain with 01 ITR cams or skunk2 stage2 cams; I currently have a supertech valvetrain and plan on using skunk2 stage2 cams.

 

Have the GSR cams already

This is the intercooler

"garrett custom IC"

I will be using the same dyno, and I do realise that a different dyno will read differently so even if i have "400whp" on the dynopack, it might be 380 on a mustang, I just want the graph to read 400whp fair and square, plus all the local cars go to the same dyno.

Thinking about a new intake manifold.

So on list of possible things
Head port and polish
Thtrottle body
New intake manifold?

Already have gsr cams, adjustible cam gears, hondada s100 tuning.

Edit: Yes I do realising im ballparking here, and im taking on a huge assumption that I will make the same power.

 

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I will be using the same dyno, and I do realise that a different dyno will read differently so even if i have "400whp" on the dynopack, it might be 380 on a mustang, I just want the graph to read 400whp fair and square, plus all the local cars go to the same dyno.

Thinking about a new intake manifold.

So on list of possible things
Head port and polish
Thtrottle body
New intake manifold?

Already have gsr cams, adjustible cam gears, hondada s100 tuning.

Edit: Yes I do realising im ballparking here, and im taking on a huge assumption that I will make the same power. </TD></TR></TABLE>

So the Synapse dyno is a mustang? I didnt realize this, in that case those numbers are normal.

Intercooler looks sufficient

VictorX manifold is perfect for this setup, you can try using a larger throttlebody but that is not going to bring you 20hp.

P&P could yield more hp, but I think 20 may be pushing it.

 

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Says who? You definitely can do more on pump gas.

 

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Says who? You definitely can do more on pump gas. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Pump gas can support over 17psi and up to around 500+hp ; base Pumpgas off HP#'s now boost, Really its the compression that limits , but I dont know much about why etc.


Modified by BrokeBoosted at 11:39 AM 1/25/2007

 

just rev higher why stop at 8400? What injectors is the b16 using that made 380whp?

 

I just realized its a b16, Doh excuse my low HP comment

 

local dyno is a dynapack and 380 isnt really too low considering hes not revving it out. if u want to squeeze 20 more horses from a similar setup i would try to upgrade the spring/retainers and rev higher. a bigger throttle body might pick up a few horses but not much. the turbo is good for a bit more boost i see no reason u cant make 400 on it with another couple psi.

 

port and polish. race gas. larger charge piping. 3.5" downpipe. 3" exhaust. not sure if your intercooler there will support 400whp, but you can be your own guinea pig.
all of those things should bring you to your goal. ive seen porting and polishing yield 50+ whp before, depends on your setup. or if you dont have your turbo yet, get a larger turbo as 17lbs daily is a lot imo

 

if u already have the victor x dont get another manifold, porting and polishing isnt really needed and might produce very little gains for lots of money. imo the head isnt a restriction at this point. how high are people revving their b16's with spring/retainers. i figure at least 8800 would be ok, and i think u could easily pull out 400whp at 8800 with no more than 1 more psi if its even needed

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrdthry911 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if u already have the victor x dont get another manifold, porting and polishing isnt really needed and might produce very little gains for lots of money. imo the head isnt a restriction at this point. how high are people revving their b16's with spring/retainers. i figure at least 8800 would be ok, and i think u could easily pull out 400whp at 8800 with no more than 1 more psi if its even needed</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree because you can see that your head is still flowing up top and keeps peaking out and not falling i would say with that turbo you need about 19psi for 400whp

 

check sig for my setup...

 

relatively tamely modded b16s can rev upwards of 10k+. look into the blue eg that superstreet did. 381 @ 8300. 448 @ 10k.

 

i say rev the motor until the power starts to drop. As long as your tuner knows what hes doing i dont see why not.

 

tuner dosnt really "allow" more then 17 pounds on pump gas, or at least so I heard, havent discussed it with him yet.

As far as head work, springs and retainers will run me quite a few hundred, wouldnt the buttom end have to be balanced to rev till 10K as well, plus im not sure t3/t4 60 trim will keep making power till 10ish K?

Im not sure but i think its a dyna pack, where you take off the wheels and plug the axles onto huge oil drums.

So titanum springs + retainers, most likely new valves etc, balanced bottom end and I can rev till 10K as long as turbo keeps making power?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vovchandr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tuner dosnt really "allow" more then 17 pounds on pump gas, or at least so I heard, havent discussed it with him yet.

As far as head work, springs and retainers will run me quite a few hundred, wouldnt the buttom end have to be balanced to rev till 10K as well, plus im not sure t3/t4 60 trim will keep making power till 10ish K?

Im not sure but i think its a dyna pack, where you take off the wheels and plug the axles onto huge oil drums.

So titanum springs + retainers, most likely new valves etc, balanced bottom end and I can rev till 10K as long as turbo keeps making power?
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will run a few hundred, yet your talking about a port and polish, any port and polish that makes power will cost a lot more the springs retainers. u wont need new valves just springs/retiainers shouldnt cost more than 400 i would say. if u get new valves then u need to get a valve job done and it adds up. i dont think you'll need to rev to 10k to make 400whp.

call up morgan and talk to him, tell him your setup and what you want, and what he suggests you do to get to that level. its not a static level like 17psi it all comes down to power and the setup.

 

i agree talk to your tuner...all your gonna get on honda-tech is just a bunch of opinions...remember its the internet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vovchandr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tuner dosnt really "allow" more then 17 pounds on pump gas, or at least so I heard, havent discussed it with him yet.

As far as head work, springs and retainers will run me quite a few hundred, wouldnt the buttom end have to be balanced to rev till 10K as well, plus im not sure t3/t4 60 trim will keep making power till 10ish K?

Im not sure but i think its a dyna pack, where you take off the wheels and plug the axles onto huge oil drums.

So titanum springs + retainers, most likely new valves etc, balanced bottom end and I can rev till 10K as long as turbo keeps making power?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You might want to consider a bigger turbine side then your friends if you want to pull your power out to 10k.

 

I have a t3/t4 57 trim and made 400whp on 21psi on my stock bore/stock sleeve/stock intake manifold/stock tb b16

9.1
piston/rod
ramhorn
gsr cams
3" d/p - exhaust
8500 stock valvetrain
generic i/c
tial 38mm w/g
hondata s200


Since upgraded valvesprings/intercooler/intanke manifold

Put down 450whp @ 22psi w/boost falling off, as I was shooting for 500whp. Wouldn't hold past 25psi...

Sig for more info.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a t3/t4 57 trim and made 400whp on 21psi on my stock bore/stock sleeve/stock intake manifold/stock tb b16

9.1
piston/rod
ramhorn
gsr cams
3" d/p - exhaust
8500 stock valvetrain
generic i/c
tial 38mm w/g
hondata s200


Since upgraded valvesprings/intercooler/intanke manifold

Put down 450whp @ 22psi w/boost falling off, as I was shooting for 500whp. Wouldn't hold past 25psi...

Sig for more info.


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I figured I was helping out...If you don't like it, there is a &lt;- (back) button.

Setup seemed similar to mine...how I learned what works and doesn't is from reading what others were doing.

No need to be an ***.

 

i take it you're not worried about hooking up 380 whp?