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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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Default Apex'i vs. Tein vs. T1R

Coilovers...I'm wanting the best bang for the buck.

The Apex'i ExV is 32 way adjustable

The Tein Flex is 16 way adjustable

The T1R B-Max is 4 way adjustable

All are under $1400 from my source, http://www.springrates.com

There are other variations as well, but from experience over time, which do you think is the BEST? I want these babies to last. I've heard the Tein's can start to wear out fairly early. I've heard the Apex's won't, but i know nothing about the T1R's.

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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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I have the tein ss. They feel pretty smooth compared to stock as for ride comfort, the only downside to lowering the s2000 was bumpster and the camber. Correcting this cost 1500 with quality parts. I'm thinking spc balljoints and j's racing toe adjusters though
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 03:41 PM
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if i HAD to chose between those 3, T1R
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silentdancer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i HAD to chose between those 3, T1R</TD></TR></TABLE>And only have 4-way adjustability???
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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i got exv's on my ap2
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silentdancer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i HAD to chose between those 3, T1R</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ntensehonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And only have 4-way adjustability???</TD></TR></TABLE>

Having 32 way adjustability is pointless. Why would you need all that dampening for?

T1R hands down.
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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I wouldnt buy any of those choices. You get what you pay for. Dont be cheap for something so important such as suspension
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Old Jan 23, 2007 | 05:30 AM
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I run the apexi on my ap1 have had no problems but it really all depends on what you gonna be using the suspension for anyways.
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Old Jan 23, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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Apex'i works fine as street coils, I had to jump 4 steps on the dampers to be able to feel any change. I've since switched to something with better damping.
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Old Jan 23, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OBSeRiouSo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Having 32 way adjustability is pointless. Why would you need all that dampening for?

T1R hands down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I like the 32 way for fine tuning...I AM an autocrosser, ya know? I'm a picky one at that. The more tuning you can do, the more you can balance the car out.

That's my reasoning for wanting all the adjustability.
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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 08:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2kdre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got exv's on my ap2</TD></TR></TABLE>

Does that mean you like them???
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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Up for for more info.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ntensehonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I like the 32 way for fine tuning...I AM an autocrosser, ya know? I'm a picky one at that. The more tuning you can do, the more you can balance the car out.

That's my reasoning for wanting all the adjustability.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But what's the point of 32 way adjustability when you have to go 4-5 clicks or more before there is any real difference in damping? I had Tein Flex on my itr and had to change about four clicks before there was any difference; then switched to Spoon N1 on same car and liked the 5 way adjustables better for autocross. Of course if there were 32 way adjustables that actually had 32 levels of noticeable adjustment that would be better, but it seems not to be the case in most instances.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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take Zeal for example, 6 ways and some of the best off the shelf money can buy. T1r seems to put tons of research into their parts, so personally, I would go with T1rs
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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The reason for all the adjustability is for fine tuning...just cuz you can't feel the difference doesn't mean there isn't one. If you want to make a small adjustment without upsetting the balance of an already well setup car, then 32 way adjustment can come in quite handy. One "click" on a four way adjustable suspension can be too much. I only know because I've used a 4 way adjustable suspension before.

There is a good piont about the Zeal coilovers, and their 6way adjustability, but again, I want to get the most out of my money.

I don't mean to sound hard headed, but what I really want are reasons why people like/dislike what they use.(i.e. one guy said the cheaper Tein units wear out in a short period of time, therefore, I won't be purchasing them.)

Doesn't really sound like you have any personal experience with the T1R setup, either, so what I need is an opinion from someone that has it, or has ridden in a car with it.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Default Re: Apex'i vs. Tein vs. T1R (ntensehonda)

For around that price I say Koni or Spoon shocks and custom Swift springs, but that's just me.
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Old Feb 5, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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Looks like I'm just going to do some springs, dunno what, prolly S.Techs, and Koni shocks.
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