I'm wondering how much a 320mm wheel will quicken the steering ratio compared to a 350mm wheel and how they compare to using the Quaife rack and pinion.
Is it a bad idea to use a 320mm wheel on a non-P/S car?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by model x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm wondering how much a 320mm wheel will quicken the steering ratio compared to a 350mm wheel and how they compare to using the Quaife rack and pinion.
Is it a bad idea to use a 320mm wheel on a non-P/S car?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm still using my stock wheel, which is close to 350mm...I am planning on going to 330mm or 320mm possibly 300mm. I heard 280mm is way too small though.

 

I love how my 320mm Monte Carlo feels autox and daily driving. I could never go back to stock.

 

I've had a hard time finding anything BIGGER than 350

Don't know how you drive with a 320

 

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Is that a Momo hub? (i dont know if they make shorter hubs like NRG's slim hub)...is the wheel further from the turn signal compared to stock?

 

I have a 320mm and its awesome.. not too big but not to small. Definitly be careful with the hub though, alot of them put the wheel to close..

 

My 320mm with de-powered Integra rack is pretty durn stiff to turn, to the point that I'm gonna swap back to a manual Civic rack. The ratio is great, but it's really too twitchy for me.

 

^ No PS? Is it better to run w/o PS? I've seen videos where drivers were saying they'd be able to get better times if the car HAD power steering...

 

I run no PS because of 1.) I don't feel like rigging up all that Integra **** in my Civic, 2.) I don't want the weight of the pump, lines, etc., and 3.) I initially liked the feel of non-PS to PS. However, with sticky tires (Azenis are bad enough, R-comps are even worse) the difficulty of turning the wheel with the new size (350mm was the previous wheel I used, which was tolerable) and that rack's ratio is really just a bit much. I'm fighting the wheel a lot of times, which doesn't make me comfortable with how the car will respond, and I have to use more effort/concentration on getting the wheel turned, rather than paying attention to whatever else. So in instances similar to that (say, a 500hp Corvette with no PS and huge Hoosiers), yeah, PS could be a benefit, even with the weight penalty.

 

Well I certainly don't have huge R-comps, nor do I have 500hp...I've heard of people just looping the PS line to have the feel of non-PS, is that true?

I might try that to see how I like it, rather than taking the whole system off then wanting to put it back on.

And by the sounds of it, I might look at a 320mm wheel. Though, I'm still curious--is anyone using a 300mm?

 

so a 320mm with a non P/S rack is on the edge of streetable?

 

yea it can get pretty tough.. especially when you are already tired.

 

i have had a sparco 383 on the car for 2 years and thats a 330mm wheel. it felt good for racing and daily.. and i dont have PS. this season im adding a slightly bigger wheel Sparco 325 which is 350mm only because the suede on the 383 is toast

 

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That's how I have mine, and it didn't help anything. I've driven two Integras with looped PS racks though, and they were fine, but both were also with stock steering wheels (370mm or so). You could even just pull the belt off the PS pump to see how it feels.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stinkycheezmonky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's how I have mine, and it didn't help anything. I've driven two Integras with looped PS racks though, and they were fine, but both were also with stock steering wheels (370mm or so). You could even just pull the belt off the PS pump to see how it feels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whack, I'd have to measure belt size and go through trial and error with that lol.

 

Eh? You loosen the PS pump, and the belt slips right off. You might have to also undo the alternator belt, but that's easy as well (been a few years since I did that, don't remember the order the belts are in).

 

im guessing buy his name that he drives an RSX. those cars only have one bigass accesory belt so he cant jsut take it off like us B and D folk. i had no ps for about a week on a daily driven integra, hated it. i dont care how much hp it robs its just not worth it imo

 

320mm Momo Corse is in my brothers '90 Integra RS, which now has no power steering (system has a leak so we disconnected it). It's a little hard to turn from a stop but once you are going 10mph+ it's not that big a deal, even with sticky street tires. It's no where near the effort that was required when my power steering pump failed on the camaro and I had to drive it home from the track without power steering, with a 330mm Sparco Ring steering wheel and riding on 275/40-17 Nitto NT555RII DOT-R tires.... I was afraid I was going to twist and warp the Sparco Ring's aluminum frame with the amount of effort required to turn it from a stop... the wheel was flexing!

 

If all you're doing is looping lines, you're cutting yourself short.
Take a few minutes to read through this.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1517004

Instead of looping the lines and leaving the valving in place that will add a lot more resistance, you're basically removing the valving and converting the rack to be the same as a manual rack. If you don't like it, throw it back together. You still need to loop lines or cap them so you don't get dirt and grime in the system, but it sounds like this is half your problem.

Now, if that were done, I'm sure the smaller wheel wouldn't be too terrible.
I street drive my weekend racer on Azenis' 205/50/25 with a manual rack and I have to be honest. Parking lots suck. I have no problem lifting a Honda transmission one handed, so it's not like I'm Mr Scrawnypants. lol Parking my del sol in the Target parking lot takes a bit of effort. Get it up over 5mph and I have no issues.

 

I might have to try that...

 

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Yes...it's a Momo hub and you get use to the turn/wiper levers being a bit farther from your hand...but it depends on how long your fingers are too.

I should take a new picture...because since that photo I've added a 30mm SRR spacer.

 

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No problem if this is on a CRX. I have always run a CRX with a 320mm wheel and it's great. I'm planning on getting the Quaife pinion eventually with the 320mm wheel, I don't antcipate any issues except parallel parking will require a little more effort...

 

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That writeup posted is 100% different than an integra rack.

 

Getting the wheel closer to your chest with those spacers can help you get more force on the wheel too. Or for those really pesky parallel parking spaces 80psi in the front tires works...

 

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huh?