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Do I really need to get a Water Pump at Timing Belt Change?

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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Default Do I really need to get a Water Pump at Timing Belt Change?

Since Im swaping the engine in one year, do I need to replace the water pump when I do this timing belt change? Can the Water Pump last?
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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Only if you dont want to and it spins freely. I would change it since your already back there.
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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yea its best to just change it and get it out of the way, and to be safe...if your timing belt snaps your fucked
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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Do it. Chances are your swap wont happen in a year.
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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there is a chance of me getting another car at that time to, regardless the engine or the car will not be there. Im doing the timting belt because I dont want it to snap but if I can save money with out installing a water pump that would be nice
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGCivicChicago &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is a chance of me getting another car at that time to, regardless the engine or the car will not be there. Im doing the timting belt because I dont want it to snap but if I can save money with out installing a water pump that would be nice</TD></TR></TABLE>

a water pump can go out at anytime. there are no signs or symptoms that occur before it goes. it's like night and day.

you're going to be slapping yourself if the pump goes and now you have to do the work all over again. especially if you're not doing the work, but paying someone. now you have to pay double.

a pump is not that expensive, and will save you more money, time, and stress just do it all at the same time.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 04:57 PM
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Default Re: Do I really need to get a Water Pump at Timing Belt Change? (EGCivicChicago)

u dont have to if its good but its best to do it while it apart already and saves u head aches later on when it do crap out, and a water pump dont cost that much to not change it
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 04:59 PM
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Just do it all at once... since you will have the motor out of the car its easier to get to
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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Default Re: Do I really need to get a Water Pump at Timing Belt Change? (EGCivicChicago)

yes you need to
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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what technically happens when a belt snaps?You wont get fuel and air and your engine will die rather quickly right?
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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Default Re: Do I really need to get a Water Pump at Timing Belt Change? (Luserkid)

why wouldn't you change it, its just another five bolts and draining the coolant
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by philosofy1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

a water pump can go out at anytime. there are no signs or symptoms that occur before it goes. it's like night and day.
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Not true. They will typically weep.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Felliph3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what technically happens when a belt snaps?You wont get fuel and air and your engine will die rather quickly right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

On 99% of Honda engines you will run a great risk of bending valves should the belt snap. That translates to costly head repair. Its much better to just change the belt at the service interval.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

On 99% of Honda engines you will run a great risk of bending valves should the belt snap. That translates to costly head repair. Its much better to just change the belt at the service interval.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How long do they run for?40k miles?
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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u can get a water pump, tensioner and timing belt from pro street for like 150... its not that bad.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vlc92189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u can get a water pump, tensioner and timing belt from pro street for like 150... its not that bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thay dont care, they will always try to cut a buc off the price. Its recomended and i wouldnt expect it to last a lot longer then Honda recomends changing.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 06:07 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Felliph3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How long do they run for?40k miles?</TD></TR></TABLE>

A timing belt should last at least 90k. Some of the newer cars have the service intervals at 100+k. I would change the belt at 90k as a safe measure. They aren't that expensive and certainly aren't hard to change, so why not?
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 06:45 AM
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Default Re: Do I really need to get a Water Pump at Timing Belt Change? (EGCivicChicago)

I doubt you will find a repair shop that will do it for you without the WP.

If you are doing it on your own you are already there, better question is why WOULDNT you do it? You have done 85% of the hard part tearing it down, makes no sense not to replace it.

As pointed out, if it locks up the belt will break and nearly every time you will have head damage. Valves just dont stand up to pistons crushing them, oddly enough

PS - Murphy's law (and a ton of repair work that I have done) dictate that if you dont replace the WP that within about 3 hours it will be leaking and you will have to tear it down again. It is law, just deal with it
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