Im kinda stuck in between two great mods . I think iv'e got it all figured out one day, and the next day my mind restarts a new debate on why I should choose the other mod. I'd like you'r opinion's on the better way to go . Ok here go's , Stage II crower cams, upgraded valve springs, retainers , with AEM tru-time cam gears, or the s300 with full tune. Im using the basics, intake, headers, exhaust with a little weight reduction. Which mod would benifit me more ?

 

Both. Wait till you do the cams, valvetrain, gears, then get it tuned.

 

well either way will be good. but you couldnt really utilize the cams without the tuning. if your eventually going to get both then just get the s300 then the cams.

 

bump

 

i doubt you need the cam gears. I have CrowerStageIIcams and timing is set the same as stock. I hear it's too hard to test each individual setting and not worth it in the end for the little gain.

this saves you a few bucks.

Some1 correct me if i'm wrong.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oranginal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i doubt you need the cam gears. I have CrowerStageIIcams and timing is set the same as stock. I hear it's too hard to test each individual setting and not worth it in the end for the little gain.

this saves you a few bucks.

Some 1 correct me if i'm wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>A good bit of advise . It just seems to me that their would be a greater gain recieved in a wilder cam profile (stageII) , but then again maybe tunning a i/h/e moded jdm H22A would bring out more of the beast . hmm see what I mean .

 

You realize you shouldn't be driving that bad boy daily with a completely different head outta stock spec on the stock fuel map. At least I wouldn't do it for any considerable length of time. So you really have only one option here. What kinda header are you using? If I were you I'd upgrade that to something at the very least like the explictspeed header, or a modified greddy if the top of the line ones are outta your price range. Maybe look into getting pullies now too, to hold you over until you can rebuild the head.

 

if it comes down to those choices....i would get the tune done. Because what good are cams gonna do you if you cant tune them right. Not to mention your drivability will prolly suck.

thats just what i would do.

 

definitely hondata first. Because then u have all the tuning tools you will ever need for any mod or project u decide to do. Plus u can get a tune and get some more power until u have the money to buy the head mods.

 

your not making power with a tune....you are just making it possible for your engine to reach its potential with your appropriate mods

modifications = power
tune = optimization
just a pet peeve that i like to think

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by madcatz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your not making power with a tune....you are just making it possible for your engine to reach its potential with your appropriate mods

modifications = power
tune = optimization
just a pet peeve that i like to think</TD></TR></TABLE>

GTFO

yeah very true. It's just hard for me not to think of tuning as making more power just cause the optimization of parts = more power usually. But definitely a good thought.

 

you're going to obviously need/want both in the end. if it were up to me i'd get the hondata first. you have to think long term goals, not short term.

 

You know , that all makes ton's of sence . I guess I realy didnt put much thought into the chain of mod process . You cant use any cam profile other than stock to my knowledge, without tuning the cpu to run them . This of course makes the decision a no brainer . I thank you all for injecting me with the knowledge I should've already known .

 

you can actually milk out a lil bit of power too if yu tune your setup now too. Nothing too big of a tune, just enough to get a god baseline up and running

 

exactly why i would go with the tune first. your car will thank you for it. and it'll show.. somewhat

 

do a complete tune and you will notice how much peppier the car is while driving normal.

 

It turns out im gonna have to find a diff ecu . I've got a p13 with a DINAN chip . For some reason the previouse owner decided to have a dinan performance chip installed , of all chips . I now have to find a p28 , p70 or any other ecu that will even accept Hondata. Two steps foward one step back.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oranginal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i doubt you need the cam gears. I have CrowerStageIIcams and timing is set the same as stock. I hear it's too hard to test each individual setting and not worth it in the end for the little gain.

this saves you a few bucks.

Some1 correct me if i'm wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're wrong

lol now youre corrected

if you have an extra valve cover you can slice up adjusting the cam gears isn't very hard

 

wow, we're like brothers!
I had the same think happen...bought the car from a chick, started to look into tuning, and got a suprize from Dinan motorsports. Do you know how different the fuel maps are from stock? I was never able to find out much info on them

 

I have a Hondata S300 sitting on my dresser waiting for my header and new exhaust to be made at SMSP so that I can install that bad boy and tune it.

anything past intake and exhaust should be tuned for so go for the hondata S300

 

I always thought Dinan was more of a "baller" car company making stuff for bimma's and such. Never knew they chiped preludes. Must be really really old.

 

someone could have just but a dinan sticker on a stock ECU.

Yeah I always though Dinan was like the BMW "mugen"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb4ever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're wrong

lol now youre corrected

if you have an extra valve cover you can slice up adjusting the cam gears isn't very hard</TD></TR></TABLE>

Even if adjusting them it's hard to do i doubt the setting will be a major differance than stock. don't forget it takes tunning time and time to change all the settings. I just don't think the time is worth it enless you have more mods done when the money could be spent else where.

 

Thats funny. Dinan engineering specializes in bmw performance and other high end motors .From what I understand they touched honda briefly and left it alone . I think all the chip does is removes the governer, slightly increases redline and alters the fuel map , however I dont know by how much.