I have read the accord basics and understand that depending on the springs you instal you may need a camber kit. I am considering purchasing a Tein H tech kit if anybody can give me some direction wheither I will need a camber kit or will a 4wheel alignment fix the negative camber. Thank you

The car 04 accord V6 ex 4 door

 

How much do you intend to lower the car? Why do you think the camber would need to be fixed?

The OEM Honda HFP Showa suspension lowers the car not too much, and it will give more camber front and rear, but it'll look like more in the rear.

Honda does not recommend a camber kit with this setup, despite the increased camber.

Yes, you need to get a good four-wheel competition-oriented alignment from somebody who really cares and who knows what he's doing, but if you do not lower the car to the point that it's on the ground, you're not really going to NEED a camber kit.

If you want, as a part of your overall plan of action, you might want a camber kit at some point to get MORE camber.

There is no such thing as "camber wear" up to and including -3.5 degrees. Most of what is perceived as camber wear is caused by toe-in problems created by bad alignments after a car's suspensionn is changed.

Does the HFP suspension not work on sedans?

 

you don't need a camber kit with h tech

caster can be adjusted with alignment

 

Thank you for clearing this up for me I was told buy a guy on ebay that was selling an eibach pro kit and he said I need a camber kit to cause there would be bad tire wear and a 4wheel alingment wouldn't correct the negative camber. So thank you for the good info hopefully I will be able to post some pics of it we have quite a list of mods for the car. Thanks again

 

for real dude, my 2000 accord is all stock so i think the springs may be sagging a little bit cuz i scrape my front end and exhaust all the time going like 1mph, also it has what looks like camber wear on the inside edges of all the tires, i know my alignment is off cuz its always going to one side a little, which would accelerate any "camber wear" on the tires (i switched the fronts to the rears cuz the got chewed up by bad alignment or being FWD) OR i thought it could be because of how the inside tire's inside edges during hard turns will have most of the pressure on that inside edge, and kinda be dragged accross the road while the outside tire's (because of camber and or caster) sit flat on the road

so wow still, there is no such thing as camber wear, even on a all stock car with perfect OE spec alignment, but with extra camber from a camber kit (dumb i know)

 

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What happens sometimes after several alignments and/or bad alignments after a suspension change, is you end up with a situation where the total overall thrust is pushing the car to one direction or the other, and you have to keep the wheel turned to keep the car going straight.

The car in this case will also feel unsteady at high speeds, and the faster you go the more unsafe you'll feel because the front alignment is fighting the rear alignment. Somebody who knows what he's doing needs to do a good four wheel alignment so that all the wheels are helping to do the same thing.

Mind you, a 2000 car with a lot of miles on it could also have a weird situation where bushing wear, especially uneven bushing wear, is contributing to alignment problems and tyre wear.

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The reason that high performance cars have more camber is because it allows for the tyres to flatten out under high G loads.

It's a mistake, though, to think that in relatively G-static lateral situations (going straight) that the tyres will wear because of the extra negative camber (up to about -3.5 degrees), because the contact patch is determined mostly by the weight of the vehicle, and the minor changes introduced by camber changes up to about -3.5 degrees is not going to be enough to introduce weird tyre wear.

Something is wrong other than the camber.

 

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Mind you, a 2000 car with a lot of miles on it could also have a weird situation where bushing wear, especially uneven bushing wear, is contributing to alignment problems and tyre wear.
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would 90,750 be a lot (it is) but is it a lot for a honda?

 

hamilton, the only adjustments made possible from the factory for your accord are front and rear toe. When you drop the car, front camber is barely affected. Rear camber, however, goes extremely negative when lowered because of the geometry. If you're not too worried about tire wear you can probably get away with h-tech's. The logical thing to do is to get the springs first and see how bad the camber in the rear is, then make the decision on whether or not to get the camber kit.

 

I am worried about tire wear because it is not my car it's my fiance's car. She wants it dropped because we put some 17in Falken torque 5's on it and they looked small and the gap between the tires and the body incresed alittle. So we figured we would drop it. I just want to make sure the tires won't wear out after 5,000 miles. I guess I am just wondering if anyone has used the Tein H tech springs on an 04 accord V6 and what was the affect did they need a camber kit or did the 4wheel alignment fix the negative camber? We are not looking to have any negitve camber because of tire wear. I guess the logical thing to do would be to install the springs and then see what happens but I really want to know what I am getting myself into before I comit to dropping the car. Thank you again this has turned out to be a very informative fourm.

 

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Negative camber does not cause tyre wear unless you go over about -3.5 on a street car.

It's the toe in and the fight between the front alignment and the rear alignment that causes tyre wear.

As long as you're dropping a minor amount, say one inch down from stock, you are not going to have unusual tyre wear problem provided you get a good four wheel alignment from somebody who cars what he is doing.

Forget about fixing the camber.

Worry that the toe is correct and that the total overall thrust is correct.

 

Ok thank you that was the answer I was looking for. We were going to have the local Honda dealer do it for us because the tire shops around here suck. Anyway thanks again