b20 block (84mm)
12.5:1 ross racing pistons
stock rods
arp rod bolt
b16 head with stock valves, itr springs, cams
aebs intake manifold
3" intake
2.5" exhaust
crome tuned chip
94 octane

think 200+whp would be attainable?

 

Sure it is, probably a good bit more with some better cams but the problem is, no dyno's read the same and no engine builder puts it together the same so you could throw it together and see 240whp on a rediculous dyno or 172.134352341 on a heartbreaker.

Or it could be built and jump timing and smash the pistons into the valves before it even fires so no one can really tell you man. On paper it should have no problems. But you didn't list a header either and that can play a big part in "paper racing".

 

You have been a member for many years, you should know that e-dyno threads are not welcome. does the peak hp number matter that much to people, do you want to be able to brag or have a fun car to drive that has good average torque and power? I don't get it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the.hamburglar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
think 200+whp would be attainable?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope.

 

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Nope.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well what do you estimate?

 

Dude that is what we have been saying, it's impossible to estimate.

Hell I have built turbo motors that should have put out 350 whp on pump that I couldn't get past 260 no matter what the hell I did with a GOOD setup. Just little things cause the car not to make the power it should have.

Anything could happen like I said before so the only way to know is just dyno it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the.hamburglar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well what do you estimate?</TD></TR></TABLE>

pay 50 bux for 3 runs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the.hamburglar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well what do you estimate?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Tell me what your main and rod bearing clearances, your ring end gaps, your piston to wall clearances, your intake and exhaust flow numbers, your specific intake and header, and exhaust choices, what your head and block have been milled, your cam timing, your engine management, tuner, and dyno. Then I can give you a ballpark number.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Tell me what your main and rod bearing clearances, your ring end gaps, your piston to wall clearances, your intake and exhaust flow numbers, your specific intake and header, and exhaust choices, what your head and block have been milled, your cam timing, your engine management, tuner, and dyno. Then I can give you a ballpark number. </TD></TR></TABLE> Is any of that important? I just want 230 WHP. You can tell me.

 

Of course it is lol, it allows you to see static vs dynamic compression due to valve closing rate in relation to piston position, it will give you an idea on the amount of parasitic loss in friction, whether your tuner is aggressive or easy and if your intake and header can even support the flow required to make the power :D


DAMN man, just go to the dyno already lol.

 

Why use ITR cams on a 2L when there are cams out there that will much better suit the displacement and the static CR

 

becuase the cams are sitting in my garage and i got them cheap. all im asking is if any of your had a simular setup...damn

 

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this is why we have a dyno thread..... to you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ALL MOTOR RULES & TOPIC INDEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4) E-Racing/Bench Racing/Guess my 1/4 or HP
There is no place for it here, it is not productive, frequently leads to arguments, and is generally pointless. Go find a dyno or a drag strip</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seems like there is a new thread like this every day. The same buld has been done a million and a half times, search and make your own guestimations based off others experiences who have done the same thing you are doing.

 

My guess is 890.3whp..uncorrected..and then right after it gets tuned you will crack a sleeve..Thats what my psychic told ME anyways..

 

I estimate 433.23 HP and 323.32 lb-ft tq.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I estimate 433.23 HP and 323.32 lb-ft tq.</TD></TR></TABLE>

@ 21,000 rpm

 

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why would i crack a sleeve? are they thinner than 1.8 l sleeves?

 

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you would crack the sleeves because of too much boost for that setup, keep it under 500whp then you'd be all right

 

huh, im not boosted. this is the ALL MOTOR forum...so different metal or thinner sleeves than a b18?

 

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well then, don't spray too much, then your sleeves will be fine

 

these b20 franks dont last long unless sleeved....
or unless u dont rev high

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16a4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these b20 franks dont last long unless sleeved....
or unless u dont rev high</TD></TR></TABLE>

Really?

How long did yours last?

 

i think you can make 230whp with the right oil

i used 85-90W gear oil in my 240whp an it worked great.

use that oil an youll make the power you want, let us know how it turns out

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the.hamburglar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">becuase the cams are sitting in my garage and i got them cheap. all im asking is if any of your had a simular setup...damn
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Regardless, there is a vass aray of cams and valvetrain packages that will MUCH better suit your displacement and compression ratio.