if you guys had the money to either fully build your b18c-R to a 2L

or

drop a bolt on k20a-r which would cost about the same,

which would you rather do?

personally, id rather be able to say i beat Ks since the B is definitely the underdog

 

B 4 life

 

Either setup will cost you a pretty penny when building(The right way). I love the B-Series, but the Kseries motor is superior IMO when it comes to power potential.

 

dont get me wrong i love both but b more. but when building a motor ur throwing reliability out the door... so the k will last longer. but i f u dont care then ftw b for life !

 

there was exact same topic here and there

but.. honestly. just do what you wanna do.. who care.

it's about same money and same power.. what's more work?

i got built b making bit over 200 whp... and i am sure stock k20a with bolt ons make about same whp..
so really it's up to you.. if you wanna spend your time doing motor swap.. cut/weld **** out of stock itr and stuff..

oviously there are pros and cons. but i'm not gonna get there..

other than k20a having 6 speed. and b having 5 speed ..tranny.

 

c5 for life.

 

it would seem wrong having a K20 in a DC2. K's have more power potential from less "work", but B's have a character to them that the K's can't match


real VTEC FTW

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tartje &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it would seem wrong having a K20 in a DC2. K's have more power potential from less "work", but B's have a character to them that the K's can't match


real VTEC FTW </TD></TR></TABLE>

doesnt the k20R, k20a2, k24a2 have the 3 lobe traditional vtec we are all used to?

i like the character of a stock k series whooping on a built b. sorry im biased in my opinion hehehe

 

its called i-VTEC for a reason sweetheart

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC#i-VTEC


every days a school day

 

ITR keep it C5 for me.

K20/24 for every other small compact Honda chassis

 

if its going in your ITR keep the c5 and built it for how much i spent on my swap i could have had a fully built 2.0l with full head prep and bottem end. eg/ek/del sol nice to put k20/k24s in they are light and witht he power of those motors and potential you will love to drive it. I have to say owning a k20 itr was fun but to expensive. Get a ls and convert it if you want a integra k20

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tartje &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC#i-VTEC


every days a school day </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol thanks...hahhaha

but i have to agree with some of the replys here...if i had a real type r, i wouldnt put a K in it....i would keep the c5....bseries are very fun motors....

id leave the kswaps for non ITR's and egs, eks etc...hehe

 

After getting to ride along in Charlie's DC5R swapped "Top Setup" EG hatch last summer at Expo, I'm a believer in them. That car is amazing!!!

But the Honda purist in me says, "not in my DC2 R."


Modified by ITR 00-0477 at 3:10 PM 1/11/2007

 

If it's a Type R - I say keep the B18C5

If it's a Civic - then K series

 

I kinda always had the opinion that a car like the ITR should always have the engine it came with. Hense I would always wanna keep the B18 engine. If you had any other honda body I agree I would go K-series...they are just more effecient and make sick power. I mean some K-series builds are making as much power from a 4-cylinder as some V8's out there and the cars weight 1000lbs less haha.

 

keep it C5, dont hack up the chassis, plus if you ever run into problem, you can get the parts anywhere and cheap, custom stuff is expensive and hard to get.

DONT DO IT, you'll regret it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by totsie7944 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I kinda always had the opinion that a car like the ITR should always have the engine it came with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

...except maybe the Lotus Elise

Put a K-series in one of those things and watch out!

That's why I like the Ariel Atom so much ==&gt; supercharged Civic Type R motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilverDc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">keep it C5, dont hack up the chassis, plus if you ever run into problem, you can get the parts anywhere and cheap, custom stuff is expensive and hard to get.

DONT DO IT, you'll regret it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

u cant regret having alot of power out of the box hehe just depends on who you are....are you one of those **** 'gotta keep it all original' people or are you the type that will do whatever is necessary to the car to get the job done hehe

im also curious about what these 'custom stuff is expensive and hard to get'....care to elaborate?

 

think about all the things on the car you would need to change in order for you to get a K-series fitted in the bay and working properly. then think about how much of that stuff is specially made in order to do that swap. THEN think how much demand would be for those parts, and conclude what sort of margin the manufacturer would put on the price of those bits as they are such low volume sellers.


consider if they are made to order, and if any parts broke what sort of waiting time there would be for said parts.

i know its not THAT hard to do, but you must take into account the aggrovation and expense that goes into doing a swap like this, and the implications of what would previously have been low effort repair or maintenance work is now a headache

 

K series if I was gonna use the potiental it really has.
Built C5 if I don't have the funds to do build a K.


Built C5 &gt; K.
If you're gonna build a K - You're a speed demon!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tartje &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">think about all the things on the car you would need to change in order for you to get a K-series fitted in the bay and working properly. then think about how much of that stuff is specially made in order to do that swap. THEN think how much demand would be for those parts, and conclude what sort of margin the manufacturer would put on the price of those bits as they are such low volume sellers.


consider if they are made to order, and if any parts broke what sort of waiting time there would be for said parts.

i know its not THAT hard to do, but you must take into account the aggrovation and expense that goes into doing a swap like this, and the implications of what would previously have been low effort repair or maintenance work is now a headache </TD></TR></TABLE>

i see your point...i agree!!! i just think of it this way, were putting a motor that sits backwards and isnt 'meant' to be in there in the first place hehe

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Phat R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's why I like the Ariel Atom so much ==&gt; supercharged Civic Type R motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

Except the US version of the Atom has a GM motor in it.

On topic, stay with the B18C5. You can build it up and if done right will be very reliable and make plenty of power.

 

Id rather have the OEM reliability with the K motor as opposed to the built B series (assuming we are talking about achieving the same power outputs). If I can get 220whp with a build B series, and the same power curve with a stock (or close) K series, Im gonna pick the K.

&lt;&lt;&lt;currently 2L B so we will see what happens

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bradstard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Except the US version of the Atom has a GM motor in it.

On topic, stay with the B18C5. You can build it up and if done right will be very reliable and make plenty of power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have the option of motor package. I believe there are 5 options b/w either using the ecotec or K20a. Then you have the option to SC it. Last time I priced mine it came out to about $70k with a supercharged K20a

&lt;----Will be waiting a LONG time to place that order.


OP, IF I had a shell, I'd probably do the K20a. If I just wanted some more power I'd probably rebuild the c5.

The K is a great motor straight out of hte box.