well my falken azenis are finally bald and it's time for a new set of tires. so i was wonder if the falken azenis rt-16 are any good? i know this is a personal prefernce but i just wanted to see what everybody else are using on there R. any suggestion ?

thanks!

 

bfg's are great street slicks.

 

I dont like the new 615's, toyo t1rs are great, bfgs g-force, dunlop direzza is a good tire for the price....

 

The Falken Azenis RT-615 is even better than the older RT-215. It grips better, holds up better to heat, and does better in rain (not great, but better than the old Azenis). And that's not just my personal opinion, but also what the folks at Grassroots Motorsport found.

If you care only about dry traction and handling, and you don't mind living with the so-so wet grip and short treadlife (still typically 10-12K miles), it's the best street tire you can get. If you're looking for more grip in rain and/or better value (lower purchase price and/or longer treadlife), and you're willing to give up some dry grip in exchange, there are other, better choices (notably the Kumho Ecsta SPT).

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If you're referring to their drag radials, they're good for the dragstrip, but they wear really fast with street use. You'll be lucky if you get half as many miles as you would with the Azenis, and the Azenis isn't exactly known for its long treadlife. Also, drag radials are made primarily for acceleration, not for cornering (sidewall construction, etc) so they're generally not a good choice for street use for that reason as well.

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These other tires cannot compare with the Azenis RT-615 in any way. The Toyo T1-R has a lot less grip - it's a good enough tire, but the Kumho SPT is pretty similar and a lot less expensive. BFG puts the "g-Force" name on a lot of its tires, everything from the supersticky and superexpensive g-Force T/A KD, to its crappy g-Force Sport, to its decent but overpriced g-Force T/A KDW2, etc., so the name is meaningless unless you specify which tire you're talking about. The Direzza is a decent tire, similar to the SPT but not as good, and usually slightly more expensive.

 

Are you tracking your R at all? If not, then get something else. My favorite street tire is, of course, RE010's. If you want a little more treadlife, I also liked RE750's.

 

I should have RE010's on my door step when i get home today, great street tire imo

 

what about the advan tires?

 

Kumho Ecsta SPT on my JDM 16'' and Azenies on my stock 15'' ! Cant go wrong.

 

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Assuming you are talking about the Yokohama Advan Neovas....they are really grippy street tire but they dont come in anything that will really fit an ITR.

 

nitto neogen is good if u have excessive camber wear
direzza's are decent and cheap

it all depends on what u wanna spend..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These other tires cannot compare with the Azenis RT-615 in any way. The Toyo T1-R has a lot less grip - it's a good enough tire, but the Kumho SPT is pretty similar and a lot less expensive. BFG puts the "g-Force" name on a lot of its tires, everything from the supersticky and superexpensive g-Force T/A KD, to its crappy g-Force Sport, to its decent but overpriced g-Force T/A KDW2, etc., so the name is meaningless unless you specify which tire you're talking about. The Direzza is a decent tire, similar to the SPT but not as good, and usually slightly more expensive.
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oh course kumho spt your fav. tire. How is the dunlop more expensive? I paid only $47 per tire 205- 50-15 yesterday

 

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Nope. The Nitto NeoGen is an all-season tire and doesn't perform as well as the summer tires we're talking about. Except on snow, of course.

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Yup, but the Kumho SPT is slightly better, and just as cheap (depending on size).

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I don't have a favorite tire. I advise people based on what they're looking for. If you're looking for what the SPT has to offer - pretty good dry performance, excellent in rain, long treadlife, and a bargain price - then the SPT is a great choice. There are other tires that are similar; see below.

Don't knock the SPT if you haven't tried it. For an inexpensive tire that lasts a long time, it's really quite good.

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In 195/55-15, the stock size for the ITR, the SPT is $60 and the DZ101 is $63 (Tire Rack prices).

In 16" sizes, the SPT in 205/45-16 is $65, and the DZ101 in 215/45-16 is $115.

In 17" sizes, the SPT in 205/40-17 is $60, and the DZ101 in the same size is $76.

In 205/50-15, you're right, it's now the other way around ($56 vs $50). The SPT was cheaper ($46 after rebate) until last week, when the $40 rebate from Kumho expired..

So the SPT is cheaper than the DZ101 in three of the four sizes for our cars, including the stock size, and in the fourth size, it was cheaper until last week.

The SPT performs a bit better than the DZ101, particularly in rain, in my experience. But they're pretty similar. If you prefer getting the DZ101, go for it. Other, similar tires include the Yokohama ES100, Avon Tech M500, Bridgestone Potenza RE750, and BFG g-Force T/A KDW2, all of which are usually significantly higher in price. If you get a deal on any of these tires, get 'em - aside from differences in price, they're all good tires!



Modified by nsxtasy at 12:21 AM 1/11/2007

 

honestly, I was going to buy the spt yesterday but they where not in stock Ive been interested in trying them on my street car but I like the tread design better on the dunlop but I get stuff cheaper then (tirerack) I work at NTB been through that already, even with rebates my prices on everything will still be less ( has saved me soooo much cash) and I get to hook my buddies up
with the rebate its basicly like free shipping

Have you run the kdw2? I never have, overpriced IMO and seems to be a noisey tire

 

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Yes. It's not a bad tire, but I agree with you - it's really overpriced. It's not a whole lot better than the SPT/ES100/etc, which are around half the price.

 

what about ride quality? road noise?

 

nt01s FTW

 

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They're a bit on the expensive side and come in weird sizes, none of which really small enough to fit on a honda (NSX and S2K excluded).

Why don't you tell us what you like to do with your car so we can give you a better idea of what tire you should be looking at? Do you care about road noise? Does it rain alot where you live? Is winter weather even a factor? What about tread life?

Help us help you.

 

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The Nitto NT-01 is an R compound track tire, and like all R comps, is not really suitable for street use. I assume we're talking about street use here, and not track tires.

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They don't come in sizes small enough to fit on the front of an NSX, either.

Basically, the Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 is similar to the Falken Azenis RT-615, only a whole lot more expensive. You know, great dry traction, so-so in wet, short treadlife - the whole deal. In addition to the RT-615 being cheaper, it also did better than the AD07 in the Grassroots Motorsports test, too.

 

Great info Nsxtasy
Helped me on tires haha

What about ES100 vs. SPTs though ?

 

just picked up a set of 205/50/15's of SPT's today. Went to Americas tires and had them price match tirerack.com. I haven't pushed it yet so no feed back yet, but I made my decision thanks to nsxtacy and his much praise for these tires. So I thought what the heck lets try these out. I had falken zeix befor and I have no complaints from them. I ran them for almost 30-35kmiles with no track time.

 

Toyo T1-R's have far too soft sidewalls for an ITR

and the people saying Yokohama Advan Neova's don't come in small enough sizes, who wants to see pictures of some AD05's on my OEM 15" rims


they are the ultimate street tyre IMO


(bit expensive though )

 

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We're talking about over on <U>this</U> side of the pond bloke.

 

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and the people saying Yokohama Advan Neova's don't come in small enough sizes, who wants to see pictures of some AD05's on my OEM 15" rims


they are the ultimate street tyre IMO


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not everybody has a Lotus dealer right next them either

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ViSioNxBoY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about ES100 vs. SPTs though ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

They're similar, but in most ways, the SPT is slightly better. You can see a side-by-side comparison test of the two tires here.

Dry traction and handling: Toss-up

Wet traction and handling: ES100 is very good, SPT is even better

Treadlife: ES100 is very good (25-40K miles is typical), SPT is slightly better (maybe 30-45K)

Price: SPT is significantly less expensive in most sizes

Availability: Both are available in a wide variety of sizes 15" and up. The ES100 is also available in 14" sizes, the SPT is not - not relevant for the ITR, but may be important for other cars.

Historical note: The market segment for budget performance summer tires (decent performance at a bargain price) is very competitive. Every few years, new tires are introduced that provide even better "bang for the buck". The ES100 was easily the best thing around when it hit the market (in late 2001, I think) and really represented a significant step up in performance vs the other offerings available at the time (e.g. Dunlop FM901, Kumho 712). It was several years before comparable tires like the SPT (and a few others) were developed and introduced. The SPT now seems like the champ in that segment, where price is as important as performance. I'm sure that within another few years, some other tire will come along with even more bang for the buck.



Modified by nsxtasy at 10:00 AM 1/12/2007

 

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not everybody has a Lotus dealer right next them either </TD></TR></TABLE>

they don't