Well, im workin on gettin my setup done..
Sleeved 84mm LS/Vtec with a Gt35R
Shootin for 600+ whp for the track...

What are the major issues with crackin 10's

I made 320whp last year and managed to get a 12.02@ 118mph that was my best run..
I was usin 22x8 M/T slicks on 13 inch wheels... no LSD in the stock LS tranny...

I want to know what steps i should be making to reach my goals... I know an LSD is needed... thats one thing that i plan on doing..
what were the best things people have done to get some faster times... keep in mind that this is still a daily driver for now, im thinkin about converting it to strictly a track car for the following season.

I know there are alot of people with experience with this stuff, we dont really have anything this fast around here... the fastest import time was 10.99 in '01 with a hatch... nothin has beat that time since then


any help would be great

 

when you say daily driven do you mean everyday, like your only way of transportation...? or will the car just see some street driving? either way, you are looking at something similar to a SFWD car. so in a broad statement look to have good fuel... sump, external pump, return line, injectors. also you will need a built motor, id say a 1.8 street style.... there have been people that kiss 10's w/o an lsd, but its on you to decide if you would like to tun one. big turbo i.e. 35r or bigger, and a good tuner with some sort of traction/boost control. just look into exactly what set up you are interested in, and go from there. look at some of the SFWD builds in FI

my .02
david

 

ok, im well aware of what kind of an engine build and turbo setup it will take to get me there...

I have a sleeved GE 84mm LS block... and ill have the rest of the setup capable of 600whp..

im just wondering if 10s are possible without traction bars or converting it to a crazy track car only...

 

sure 10's are very obtainable with out going all out dragster, just make sure to have a good tune and some seat time. If you read on this forum you will see that a daily driven 10sec car (not recommended ) is very common, this is not like in the past where only the pro's were able to make/afford power. You can go to almost any speed shop and get every thing you need to make the power for 10's.

 

traction bars wouldnt hurt daily driveability really...why wouldnt you want to put them on?

 

sorry, i didnt mean traction bars.... i know those arent hard to install... i meant bars for the rear of the car to prevent wheel hop...

I had lots of seat time this year.. and i have a good tuner...

 

well it seems like everything that everyone mentions to you you either already know or are already doing.... i'm not too sure what you want us to say to you. I mean obviously you're going to have to put a cage in the car to run that fast, you already know what to do as far as an engine and turbo setup go, if you want something reliable use good parts to try to make it as bullet proof as possible. Get a quaife diff, and some strong aftermarket axles(brand is up to you) and some bigger slicks and drive the hell out of it.

What else is there you want to know?

 

I have a true 10 second daily driven EG. I went 10.9@130 on pump gas, driven to and from the track just bolted on some slicks. You dont need a big expensive setup, this was done on 424whp with a stock sleeve b16 and t3/t67. Stock axles, open diff, etc. I also went 10.4@142 with some c16 and more boost.

 

Good suspension, traction bars, good motor mounts, is always a good place to start.

I went 10.8 on a bone stock ls/vtec with a FR top mount gt40r setup.

 

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I ran pretty fast with stock blown *** struts, stock Diff, no traction bars and stock mounts.. lol

Not saying its the best way or the right way, but all im sayin is its not a nescessity. But i was also **** poor, lol.. He said he just wanted to crack 10's, which is definately doable on a SIMPLE setup.. However if you have the time/money, do it right..

 

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Now thats a true street set up

 

this is all im lookin for, what people had that made 10s... what it took to get there...

Sorry, i didnt mean to sound like i knew everything, it just seemed like the guy was tryin to tell me what kind of an engine setup will make 10s

 

You need about 450whp to run consistant 10s on a full interior/stock weight eg hatch. And a good pair of slicks.

Adriano

 

what slicks are you guys running to get in the 10s?

 

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24.5x9x13's
25x8x13's
25x8.7x13's

will all work, depends what setup you have... You can run 26's also, but its definately overkill for a car that just wants to crack 10's

how much does the car weigh?

 

well its a 93 SI
so 2300 lbs stock..

LS tranny, and its gonna have a b16 crown and pinion... if that helps..

 

Am I the only one that thinks there is a difference between a daily driver and a street car???

There are many "street" cars that run sick ET's but I sure wouldn't call them "daily drivers" Yeah you could drive them everyday...I guess (dangerously), but who actually does??

I don't....haha

 

whats wrong with drivin them daily?

 

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I dont see why it would be dangerous, most of them would be safer due to all the safety equipment.

Adriano

 

even 200whp can be dangerous to some people....


but i dont see why it would be dangerous to have a daily driven 10 sec car

 

Everybody is going to have their own theory on whats safe and what is unsafe..

While one guy might be happy that his rollcage may save his life, the next guy might rant about how his head will crack open in 3 spots upon a 25mph accident..

Whens the last time you saw a car with a 10pt cage and full rollcage padding? often you dont..

My moral is, its mostly an opinionated theory. besides the safety of the driver, theres no arguement..

You can have a "daily driven" 10.9 civic (daily driven does not mean, only car/driving 90miles a day). While it may not be practical, its doable (yet not suggested).. This debate will be going on until im retired

 

My whole thought process on a daily driver is just that. A car that is driven every day. I would not drive my 10 sec street car in the snow, rain, and to and from work, which I would my daily driver (GM Van..haha).

So you're trying to tell me that driving a bone stock Civic as a daily driver, and a 10sec Civic as a daily driver is considered equally as dangerous??? I just don't get it??

I just take the words DAILY DRIVER, as just that

I have a 10 sec street car, not daily driven, is there someone on here that does??

 

well my car is never driven in the winter.... april 1st to late october usually.. then it goes away..
I dont have a problem driving in the rain, you just gotta learn not to punch it... its common sence...
and as far as daily drivin to work in the mornings... i love havin a "snack" for breakfast... mustangs are great... lol

I can drive a high hp car to work every day and just be sensible... you dont have to drive hard just because its makin good power... just lay off the throttle...

i had 320 this year... and theres nothin wrong with that for a daily driver

 

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So you're trying to tell me that driving a bone stock Civic as a daily driver, and a 10sec Civic as a daily driver is considered equally as dangerous??? I just don't get it??
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No..Its a lil different. Its ALOT different. im on your side Carey. I wouldnt drive my pride and joy really anywhere but at the track. But some people arent as self-controlled.. The danger of driving it can be guaged on how well the person prepares safety-wise, but in the long run, even the safest 10 second car is prolly a lil more dangerous then a stock civic...

Then again, if either one gets hit by your GM Van, their dead anyways

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Topdawgg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well my car is never driven in the winter.... april 1st to late october usually.. then it goes away..
I dont have a problem driving in the rain, you just gotta learn not to punch it... its common sence...
and as far as daily drivin to work in the mornings... i love havin a "snack" for breakfast... mustangs are great... lol

I can drive a high hp car to work every day and just be sensible... you dont have to drive hard just because its makin good power... just lay off the throttle...

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Exactly my point. You have a street car, not a daily driver. You only drive it 6 months out of the year, if my math is correct, April-October. It's just something that no one ever seems to agree with me on.....haha

All BS aside, you just don't drive 10 sec cars everyday.....c'mon now.