On the latest Hot Version - VTEC CLUB Vol.04 , there is some footage of a new Civic with a k20a using s2000 parts, according to Spoon and the video.

Rumor has it that they are using the 84mm F20c crank in a k20a block with a k20a head. With stroke of 84mm and bore 87mm, it is a 1998 cc motor.. essentially a s2000 motor with the added feature of Ivtec as well as other K series advantages.

In the video, the car is revving to 11000 and when downshifting, seems to be revving to 13000..

I emailed spoon about this and they replied that it is making good power and that in March 2007, they are going to start selling this new Spoon motor.

The ability to rev to 11000 comes at no surpise with a RS ratio of around 1.80.

Here's a screenshot of the video footage



The videos found online contain this new blue ray codec H.264 and it is hard to edit it and just post the 11000 footage but once I get my hands on just that segment, I will try to host it and let you guys know.

On the video, it says k20a & f20c hybrid 1998cc 245 hp @ 8500 rpm so not sure on the specs of the motor but from the video you can see that it revs fast through most of the gears

 

Awesome

 

Holy Crap! I'm going to look for that tonight! thanks for the heads up I have to see that for myself because that sounds so awesome

 

11k...Oh my...that would be very helpful at the autox...I could stay in 1st gear the entire time.

 

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Haha... yeah no doubt.

In for the vid!

 

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Haha... yeah no doubt.

In for the vid! </TD></TR></TABLE>

OH SNAP 11K? looking for the vid too

 

Would love to see video clips too!
And I'll buy it to add it to the DVD collection.

I'm still in love with this vid from Type R Legend. Hattori did 1 lap around Suzuka in the Spoon DC2R:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9YmIWXMvjE

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would love to see video clips too!
And I'll buy it to add it to the DVD collection.

I'm still in love with this vid from Type R Legend. Hattori did 1 lap around Suzuka in the Spoon DC2R:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9YmIWXMvjE</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why does he tap the brakes with his left foot on a few of the straights in that video??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1 wilcox &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why does he tap the brakes with his left foot on a few of the straights in that video??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tailgater trick

 

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Why does he tap the brakes with his left foot on a few of the straights in that video??</TD></TR></TABLE>

They do that on straights before the hard braking:
1) Mainly for brake check. Very very light tap can already tell if the brakes are working.
2) Set the pads.

 

I do it to **** off the tailgaiting soccer moms

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nikos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the video, it says k20a & f20c hybrid 1998cc 245 hp @ 8500 rpm.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The odd thing about that is the 8500rpm. If it can rev to 11-13k, why is the hp peak (I assume) way down at 8500? What's the point of going so far past peak power? It only makes since if it has a really wide torque band, so shifting at 2500rpm higher, would drop rpms 2500 below it. OTOH, if it has such a wide torque band, there's no need to rev it so high.

I'm confused

 

I thought about that. In my opinion, they are keeping the peak HP a secret. They wouldn't be marketing a motor that revs that high without the power being also up there..

Here's the email reply that I got from Mr Ichishima.

Hi
We are selling the F22&F20 engine.
It is a new article.
All parts are new articles.
Used parts are not used.
Please look at SPOON HP about the price.

And, the matter of K20.
It begins to sell it in March, '07.
A new engine.
This new engine is stronger power.

We will sell a new engine (new article) in March.
have a good year 2007

Yours very sincerely.

 

well, depending on what else they used, most f20's peak sround 8500-9k right?

Still a pretty cool concept for a 2.0 liter that revs to 13k.Hopefullly its closer to the 270-280hp mark

 

Spoon did a similiar thing with the b series and had it reving to 11k. You can find the old best motoring on youtube of it. Similiar to this, it didnt really make power past 9k.

 

i'll take three

but really that is INSANE!! i wanna know how much power it makes

 

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your talking about the civic type r they had right? the engine was spec'd at like 11k redline ro something but in the video you can see it go near 12-13k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nikos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rumor has it that they are using the 84mm F20c crank in a k20a block with a k20a head. With stroke of 84mm and bore 87mm, it is a 1998 cc motor.. essentially a s2000 motor with the added feature of Ivtec as well as other K series advantages.

The ability to rev to 11000 comes at no surpise with a RS ratio of around 1.80</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't see how. With an 84mm stroke and 1.8 r/s ratio, they'd have to have a 20mm piston. 10mm shorter than stock.

Or if they used a k24 block, with 30mm cr height pistons, They'd have to have a 159.7mm rod to bring that piston flush, and that's a 1.9 r/s ratio.

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Regardless, aside from a 2000cc displacement limit, this seems like a bad idea. You can already get a k24 block for relatively cheap. And stroke it out to make 275whp relatively easy.

With revving to 11k you have to worry about
The head being able to make power at that rpm
Synchros wearing out prematurely because they have to do more work to stop the gear. F20C transmission already has issues grinding with a 9000rpm redline.
JDM K20A transmission being the closest ratio, still drops rpms down to 8800ish

It seems like it would just make more sense to use a k24 block.
Or, if one is still hellbent on revving high, it seems that they could just use the existing k20 crank in a k24 with 158.7mm rods to achieve a 1.85 r/s ratio.



I'd still be worried about PTV contact.


Modified by Bense at 6:15 PM 12/29/2006

 

my guess is that, indeed, the rules limit displacement at 2000cc, and that it has to be FWD.

the piston speed will be high at 11K, but the piston acceleration won't be too crazy w/ that r/s ratio, so the engine will be able to make good use of smaller, higher-velocity ports at the higher rpm necessary to make more power. also, higher r/s means longer piston dwell near TDC, which may help combustion efficiency at higher rpm.

 

wow.. where the link to video?

 

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I don't see how. With an 84mm stroke and 1.8 r/s ratio, they'd have to have a 20mm piston. 10mm shorter than stock.

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Whaaaaaaaaa?

I could make my tach do that with some construction paper and a crayon!

 

i love it

 

The 1.81 ratio was an estimate. Recalculate the piston size with a 84mm crank, a h22 rod and a s2000 piston

I am not sure what they used for a rod or piston but I am under the assumption that Spoon like to use modified OEM components

 

stock cams too?

 

The probably used D series cams LMAO