is it worth getting a Toda A's? so that we can keep the stock ITR springs and retainers?

or

go through all the hassle of maintaining and checking when we get a Toda B's with portflow, etc..


money is not an issue since its only small difference. Plus, this is daily driven and weekend street racing car.

Whats do you think?

 

.....depends on what you're looking for.

How far do you want to go, what's your budget, goal, etc?

 

Parts, maybe not. Labor and time--it is a huge difference between the two.

A's are good cams and great because they play nicely with the stock R stuff. Plus, they will make a lot of power. B's require many upgrades for safely revving, getting max power, etc.

 

Toda A's? Yes, very much worth it.

Stock springs are fine. They make peak power around 7800 anyway.

 

What kinda numbers have you seen with the A's? (HP/TQ)

 

thats exactly my question too...


what kinda power are you looking at when its tuned with stock internals...just intake, headers, exhaust?

 

with A's, B's, or C's, you're looking at roughly the same PEAK numbers - mid to high 180's to low 190's... depending on mods and tuning. This is stock compression. The difference is that B's and C's will make more peak with more compression, and more midrange than A's in any configuration.....

 

Black R - nice avatar, like woah.

Good to know about peak HP though.

 

you are saying that Toda A's makes same peak power as B/C???

so, with stock compression, and I/H/E, Toda A is good enough for 180-190whp?

 

peak yes. a A-equipped R may have the same peak numbers as a B/C motor, but in a race the B/C car will walk all over the A car due to the area under the curve....

 

If this is what you use the car for, forget N/A. Save up and get a turbo. Boost 0wnz on the street... and on the track.

 

Reliability oWnZ hehe

if we wanted a turbo car, he would have bought a LS or GSR...not ITR

 

anyone have a dyno plot of Toda As vs Bs vs. Jun3s?

 

Tuning is the key to reliability, whether it's N/A, S/C or turbo. I really don't care which route you choose, since you seem to have your mind set on N/A.

Go with Toda A's if reliability is a big concern to you.

Just stay away from those turbo ITRs, lest they smack you around.

 

shiet, i dont mind having a turbo...just that its too much of a hassle....plus, im not about to build my stock block yet. its a 2000 motor.

i dont think a stock turbo itr can handle the beating im doing with my NA, thats why im staying with NA

 

.....try http://www.sgt-racing.com

 

do a search under Mike K's screen name. He posted results from the Great Cam test with jun vs toda cams on a b18c5.

 

Edit - mixed up 2 members

 

Area under the curve...often neglected and far more important than peak

 

I have some Toda B's for sale....

 

Oh yeah, I forgot to reply to the original question:

IMHO: YES, whether it be A's, B's, or C's...

I've been very happy with B's and now C's.

 

Toda Bs

 

I't depends what you want from your car. Toda A's would be a non agressive setup. If all you want is to go fast from point A to point B (1/4 mile racing) them get a Turbo. No cam setup can come close to a Turbo setup. Now if you want reliability then Tada A's are a nice addition. No funky Idle, you don't need to mod internals (spring, etc..) and you can make some great power if tuned correctly.

 

proper tuning plays one of the biggest factors...but if you're going n/a and planning to get crazy, go with the spec b. if you just want to keep your stock stuff, go with spec a. turbo is only an option if you have the patience to learn it and know how to maintain it...driving turbo is totally different than n/a too. g'luck man...