Project 170whp d series
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Project 170whp d series
[ project outline ]
build a 170whp d series that is somewhat street able(laugh) in a fun ed6 chassis. keep a constant low budget approach with all work done by me.
[ block ]
The project block is a d16z6. The bore and hone was done on a sunen with a multi pass, multi grit " plateau " hone finish. The rings are total seal. The bearings are
Honda oem, and are currently at calico being coated. The crank is z6 crank that has been shaved a great deal, mic'd and oil passages bored and chamfered. The entire rotating assembly will be blueprinted and balanced to 12,000 rpms.
The rods are brand new honda d16z6 rods with arp studs fitted. The rods are also shaved and at calico for there coating as well. The pistons are from the ZC, pm7's also brand new from honda. The tops have been shaved free of all hot pots and cleaned up valve reliefs. Thoose are again at calico being coated, then off to get balanced with the rest of the rotating assembly.
[ Head ]
The valvetrain i have no ordered yet, but will be all supertech which was of course suggested to me by the late, great earl laskey who i talked to a about this engine build. The valves will be flat faced. The valvetrain rocker arms i'm in the process of shaving a few grams off each arm, then polishing and coating the contact surface. The camshaft will the a custom regrind based mostly of the crower stage 3.
The head has been ported by me and will be flow benched after i find a shop to do my 3-angle valve job. The valves will be 1mm oversized.
[ intake / exhaust ]
I'll be filling in the oem injector holes and porting the entire port runners to one smooth solid run. The individual throttlebodys are from the 600rr with 42mm to 55mm velocity stacks i bought from true choice. The exhaust is from smsp, to a straight 2.5" exahust with no cat and a circuit one ef9 muffler.
[ trans ]
i'll be working with the tranny god himself i hope this project. I want to rebuild a 91 si tranny with zc and y8 gearing, and a 6.8lb flywheel and exedy stage 1 clutch. Solid motor mounts, and a custom traction bar i made a while ago.
Compression ratio should be 12.8:1 after all is said and done, tunning will be on a dyno for inital setup, and then street tuned using a wideband, datalogger, and chrome - pro. Sure i'm forgeting a few things, i except to finish everything in the next few weeks.
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Modified by GarageAlchemist at 2:02 AM 3/14/2007
build a 170whp d series that is somewhat street able(laugh) in a fun ed6 chassis. keep a constant low budget approach with all work done by me.
[ block ]
The project block is a d16z6. The bore and hone was done on a sunen with a multi pass, multi grit " plateau " hone finish. The rings are total seal. The bearings are
Honda oem, and are currently at calico being coated. The crank is z6 crank that has been shaved a great deal, mic'd and oil passages bored and chamfered. The entire rotating assembly will be blueprinted and balanced to 12,000 rpms.
The rods are brand new honda d16z6 rods with arp studs fitted. The rods are also shaved and at calico for there coating as well. The pistons are from the ZC, pm7's also brand new from honda. The tops have been shaved free of all hot pots and cleaned up valve reliefs. Thoose are again at calico being coated, then off to get balanced with the rest of the rotating assembly.
[ Head ]
The valvetrain i have no ordered yet, but will be all supertech which was of course suggested to me by the late, great earl laskey who i talked to a about this engine build. The valves will be flat faced. The valvetrain rocker arms i'm in the process of shaving a few grams off each arm, then polishing and coating the contact surface. The camshaft will the a custom regrind based mostly of the crower stage 3.
The head has been ported by me and will be flow benched after i find a shop to do my 3-angle valve job. The valves will be 1mm oversized.
[ intake / exhaust ]
I'll be filling in the oem injector holes and porting the entire port runners to one smooth solid run. The individual throttlebodys are from the 600rr with 42mm to 55mm velocity stacks i bought from true choice. The exhaust is from smsp, to a straight 2.5" exahust with no cat and a circuit one ef9 muffler.
[ trans ]
i'll be working with the tranny god himself i hope this project. I want to rebuild a 91 si tranny with zc and y8 gearing, and a 6.8lb flywheel and exedy stage 1 clutch. Solid motor mounts, and a custom traction bar i made a while ago.
Compression ratio should be 12.8:1 after all is said and done, tunning will be on a dyno for inital setup, and then street tuned using a wideband, datalogger, and chrome - pro. Sure i'm forgeting a few things, i except to finish everything in the next few weeks.
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Modified by GarageAlchemist at 2:02 AM 3/14/2007
for you for getting up so early on Christmas.
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Re: Project 170whp d series (GarageAlchemist)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GarageAlchemist »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The pistons are from the ZC, pm7's also brand new from honda. The tops have been shaved free of all hot pots and cleaned up valve reliefs. Thoose are again at calico being coated, then off to get balanced with the rest of the rotating assembly.
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Interesting build...and that's saying a lot around here these days.
These pistons...they are actual ZC PM7s? What usdm car came with those?
And they're being coated? I have read on the Honda archives that the ZC pistons came oem with a moly coat on the skirts.
The pistons are from the ZC, pm7's also brand new from honda. The tops have been shaved free of all hot pots and cleaned up valve reliefs. Thoose are again at calico being coated, then off to get balanced with the rest of the rotating assembly.
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Interesting build...and that's saying a lot around here these days.
These pistons...they are actual ZC PM7s? What usdm car came with those?
And they're being coated? I have read on the Honda archives that the ZC pistons came oem with a moly coat on the skirts.
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Re: Project 170whp d series (nappyroots827)
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haha. so true! ^
for this build. i'm going to enjoy following this.
</TD></TR></TABLE>haha. so true! ^
for this build. i'm going to enjoy following this.
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Re: Project 170whp d series (s10cky)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s10cky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its a growing bandwagon for a reason. d-series ftw! </TD></TR></TABLE>Finally, people are coming out of the cloud and realizing that building your own power is fun, instead of just swapping like every other HS kid...except the K-Series EF guys, they kind of scare me.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Finally, people are coming out of the cloud and realizing that building your own power is fun, instead of just swapping like every other HS kid...except the K-Series EF guys, they kind of scare me.
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Re: Project 170whp d series (nappyroots827)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">170whp should be fun on stock bore, I know it's possible to pull 220 crank HP out of 78mm bore </TD></TR></TABLE>
What pistons can be used with 78mm bore? They must be custom made, nothing stock (cheap) from any other engine right?
What pistons can be used with 78mm bore? They must be custom made, nothing stock (cheap) from any other engine right?
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Re: Project 170whp d series (CRX1.4DualCarb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX1.4DualCarb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What pistons can be used with 78mm bore? They must be custom made, nothing stock (cheap) from any other engine right?</TD></TR></TABLE> There are no OEM pistons for 78mm, so you have to get them custom done, I'm expecting between 450$ -> 550$ for my pistons when ever I get around to it.
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Re: Project 170whp d series (dr_latino999)
That's expensive..
Would it be possible to get a larger 81mm bore, using b-series pistons, and to epoxi de bloc, to do that "bolt honding the sleeves thing", or even to sleeve it, in order to compensate for the thinner cilinder walls?
I'm asking this because the closer to square the bore/stroke relation the better right? And also because i'm a new to engine stuff
Would it be possible to get a larger 81mm bore, using b-series pistons, and to epoxi de bloc, to do that "bolt honding the sleeves thing", or even to sleeve it, in order to compensate for the thinner cilinder walls?
I'm asking this because the closer to square the bore/stroke relation the better right? And also because i'm a new to engine stuff
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Re: Project 170whp d series (dr_latino999)
how about using the pdn (civic gx, natural gas civic) pistons with the ls rods. from what i have been reading on them, they will increase your compression and i think they are forged (the pistons). im personally thinking of staying D16a6 and running the PDN piston/LS rod combo and then run it with the JRSC with maybe the LHT setup if funds allow when the time comes.
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Re: Project 170whp d series (CRX1.4DualCarb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX1.4DualCarb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's expensive..
Would it be possible to get a larger 81mm bore, using b-series pistons, and to epoxi de bloc, to do that "bolt honding the sleeves thing", or even to sleeve it, in order to compensate for the thinner cilinder walls?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The largest you'll see a D16 sleeved to is 79mm, but that's ***** to the wall N/A race stuff. Now a 81mm bore was done once but the motors lifespan was measure in fractions of hours, there was just no room at all for the headgasket to seal.
Would it be possible to get a larger 81mm bore, using b-series pistons, and to epoxi de bloc, to do that "bolt honding the sleeves thing", or even to sleeve it, in order to compensate for the thinner cilinder walls?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The largest you'll see a D16 sleeved to is 79mm, but that's ***** to the wall N/A race stuff. Now a 81mm bore was done once but the motors lifespan was measure in fractions of hours, there was just no room at all for the headgasket to seal.
