How come guys don't do a bit of NOS??? I'm just curious!!! Is it really a bad idea to add alittle laughing gas??? Just got done reading the 06 rules and 2 power adders were permitted... who in the Turbo4 class uses Turbo/NOS???

Let's say someone uses a GT40 non-ball bearing turbo and doesn't want to get a bigger or ball-bearing turbo...so wouldn't the next wise choice be NOS... $500.00 and 100shot or 100whp kicks in!!!

how about hit the NOS button in 3rd and 4th gear since traction isn't a threat at those gears....

good or no good???




Modified by BEEYOND at 6:37 AM 12/24/2006

 

You continuing to use the word NOS while refering to a nitrous system is NO GOOD.

 

Everything ties together in the drag racing world. There are people out there that do use a nitrous setup as well as turbo, but for the most part you've got all-motor cars and boosted cars.

You could do it, but for 100 more hp/torque, you could get that out of a turbo setup (if you aren't already using a large turbo setup) with the extra $500.

 

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ok at least you get the point... NOS typically is referred to a nitrous system FMUNK

come on we all know that... do you want me to spell "nitrous system" all the time.

you seem to be offended of the term NOS...hmmm maybe your boys work at ZEX...

I'm just getting a point across FYI.....durh


goosh


Modified by BEEYOND at 6:49 AM 12/24/2006


Modified by BEEYOND at 7:11 AM 12/24/2006

 

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ok at least you get the point... NOS typically is referred to a nitrious system FMUNK

come on we all know that... do you want me to spell "nitrious system" all the time.

you seem to be offended of the term NOS...hmmm maybe your boys work at ZEX...

I'm just getting a point across FYI.....durh


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Well if your gonna spell it all the time might wanna start spelling it properly.....nitrous. And if you want to use it in a shorter term you should say n2o.

 

FMUNK: what ever happened to the blue Turbo4/SFWD Civic SI ??? did you guys cease that project??? 9sec yet? and what happened to that SI at Great Lakes when you guys came out with the 7sec silver car?

 

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Well if your gonna spell it all the time might wanna start spelling it properly.....nitrous. And if you want to use it in a shorter term you should say n2o. </TD></TR></TABLE>


RRRRRRRRR kind of typing quicker then quick...hehe!!! don't understand why you guys get so unproper when NOS is used....



so mr. LS what do you feel about n2o....... looks like you wouldn't do the n2o route....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BEEYOND &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FMUNK: what ever happened to the blue Turbo4/SFWD Civic SI ??? did you guys cease that project??? 9sec yet? and what happened to that SI at Great Lakes when you guys came out with the 7sec silver car? </TD></TR></TABLE> If you are refering to Stephanies old Blue car, It is basically put back to stock with alot of goodies and is for sale.
As far as the SI that BROKE at GLD.........that is Theos car from california. He was just hanging out for a while.

 

rock on.... so no more T4/SFWD for you guys!!!

see you guys in 07 at GLDW and Nopi

get them gmers

 

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ok at least you get the point... NOS typically is referred to a nitrious system FMUNK

come on we all know that... do you want me to spell "nitrous system" all the time.

you seem to be offended of the term NOS...hmmm maybe your boys work at ZEX...

I'm just getting a point across FYI.....durh


goosh


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No......I worked for Nitrous Express for four years, and it is just annoying when someone refers to n2o as NOS when N.O.S. Is actually a company name and when N.O.S. employees refer to their company they actually spell it out.

I guess what I am trying to say is.........when you say NOS you sound like a TOOL and your thread is doomed from the start, because TOOLS that say stupid lingo like that are half the reason for people clowning on Sport compacts.

I am in no way calling you a TOOL.....I am simply giving you advice that you sound like one when you use ignorant lingo like that.

"It's your fuel map, it's got a nasty hole, that's why you're unloading in 3rd. Unlengthen the injector pulse another millisecond, just tune the NOS timing, you'll run 9's!"

Ring a bell??

With all that said: Nitrous is very violent, that 100hp is at any RPM (3000 and above to be safe) and all the way up.
It can just be a huge challenge to keep that under control, and it also hits the bearings really hard.
The way to keep the system under control for MAX performance would be to use a nice Digital progressive controller, NX has the Maximizer. This will help you put the power down but Progressive controlers are very expensive.
So in the end, you can put all that money into a turbo setup that will be easier on the motor and tires= more power to the ground.

My ten cents

 

nicely said FMUNK........ you are quite discriminating, but it's ok you belong to the fastest honda in the universe.....so you are the bomb...

i already knew you had close ties to another nitrous company that is why you were so bias against the N.O.S. label. next time don't be so IGNORANT and reply in better terms.. aren't you suppose to be so professional mr FMUNK..

I simply asked a NOS/nitrous question and you had to smart mouth.. simply say: the term NOS is used by some, but maybe you should use nitrous system/n2o like what mr. LS mentioned.

now wipe the salt off your shoulders.... hehe!!!

and about tuning, thxs for the heads up, but we already know the tuning world as much as some of best...FYI i don't have any 3rd/4th gear issues...and of course if i do use nitrous xpress(NX oh no we are using G@Y terms like NOS again)...tuning needs to be more conservative ... most guys just don't have the big BLING bro like some people....$$$$

hope you guys build a t4/sfwd car.......in the near future!!! and hold a universe record for that too... see you guys in 07

my 2 yens!!!

Regards,

Bee Hang
Owner/Mechanical Engineer(National Society of Professional Engineers)

Modified by BEEYOND at 9:09 AM 12/24/2006


Modified by BEEYOND at 9:11 AM 12/24/2006

 

There is obviously just no helping it,you sir are indeed a tool.
Fmunk was just trying to help you explain yourself more efficiently and not look like you don't have a clue(obviously a waste of time).
He also wasn't putting down your tuning skills, that was a reference to the movie The Fast and the Furious.

 

Basically it is not needed. Mat Keller was probably the most successfull with it back in 2004. It is just one more variable to go wrong. Mat has since dabbled with nitrous on the civic this year but didn't get any clean passes. Alot of dsms use the combo with success, not many hondas.

 

The few races that I intend to go to this year I will more than likely be running without the nitrious.
After the season was over I managed to get the car partially sorted out, but I still have not made a full pass on nitrious.

 

Nitrous on a AWD works out very nice..........I know.........I own a few

 

Ive thought about spraying my 16g to death just to see what it would do with a 75 shot or so. Went 11.93 on boost maybe could squeeze a .70 or so out of her.

I know Matt lost a race because he sprayed it in 4th and it shocked the tires and spun causing him to fall back.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BEEYOND &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> aren't you suppose to be so professional mr FMUNK..


Modified by BEEYOND at 9:11 AM 12/24/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>UH......NO.......how am I any different then you or anybody else on HT??

I keep it REAL son!!

 

A single nozzle 75hp would work out nice! Just as long as you got the fuelpump to back it up. Maybe pull like 2 degrees of timing to be safe.

 

here is another idea for you.spray 25-50 out of the hole to get turbo on line
quicker.then spray what ever your heart desires say 3rd and 4th.

as far as my times with the giggle juice 6.94@ 112 pulling 1.5 60's in an 1/8.
full int. ek hatch w/weld magnum's 24.5x9x13 and also skinnies.but i am looking to beat that time w/a turbo nitrous set up that i am building"it is in it's final stages.

harv

merry christmas everyone

 

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The 255hp walbro should do just fine with that. As for timing i might have to invest in a aem just to be safe the 2g mas\afc wont cut it i dont think.

 

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The 255hp walbro should do just fine with that. As for timing i might have to invest in a aem just to be safe the 2g mas\afc wont cut it i dont think.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i do not know for the life of me why every one is so scared of timing.you would be very surprized on what the fuel can do.i am not saying all of the timing.but i am saying this.i will compare my 75 shot "hits like 150" to anyone's.


what alot of guys and girls don't realize is when you run a 255"yes it will get the job done" but when you start upping the fp you are doing it for both the motor and the nitrous set up.drowning the hell out of a motor at idle then reviving it on top end.i am by no means a nitrous expert.

hell the 255 has supported 600 hp before"dam that is scary as hell" but it is true.but to do it right and not ruine your motor.a dedicated line is the way to go.i know alot of people say hell no,but the benifits are far more prize winning i assure you.

when one sprays the fp drops and you get into well we all know that one hahahaha.constant fp is the key to making the nitrous -giggle juice hell what ever you want to call it do it's thing try it and see.

there is a nitrous thread on here that has alot of info on it some of you should read it,it will help you out.i personally love the dam stuff and have used it on everything from a bicycle"not really" just trying to get a laught.but i have used it on riding lawn mowers,go karts ,weed eater's,mopeds,

harv

 

Listen buddy i know timing can be good. But when you run a stock ecu which has a shitty knock control it can be very touchy with nitrous or even boost alone. I know the 255 has made 600whp weve done it before. My reason for something to control timing is because i want something consistent. Not something thats throw 18 degrees one pull then 12 the next and then 22 the next. Ive seen dsms pick up as much as 40 whp from pull to pull because of a shitty knock setup. So as i said ill figure something out.

 

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you know i try to be nice and look what i get.so i am gonna tell you like this,so YOU listen BUDDY.it is very hard to be consisent with nitrous unless everything you done is exactly the same and most of the time it isn't.i have spraid 400 on a b series w/a STOCK ecu and STOCK injectors.i push it to the limits forcing as much fuel as i possibbly can into the combustion chamber.i use to do the same dam thing most of you are doing now and pull the hell out of timing"that's where i lost my power".that's why i said ONE DOESN'T NEED TO PULL AS MUCH TIMING AS HE THINKS,try it you'll be surprized.

that is why your **** jumps all over the place.i don't know how the dsm's ecu's work.that's why i have honda"LESS TROUBLE" no punt intended" maybe you should try elimnating your knock sensor some how and watch what happens.but like i said don't know the dsm ecu at all.


i wasn't knocking the 255,so don't try to put words in my mouth"bad for your health".i was simply saying i was amazed at what that little pump can do.but when alot of people opt to go the shorter route and just run 1 pump and run some high *** fp to satisfy the nitrous when activated.they don't think about what it is doing to the motor at idle.all they know to say is nitrous blew my motor up.when the truth of the matter is it was THE DAM TUNER WH0 BLEW IT UP.


PLAIN AND SIMPLE= get you a multi step retard,it pulls the same everytime.but you will have to do something about your knock sensor.because from my under standing it is gonna pull as much as it can to compensate for whats going and if you have the multi step retard hooked up it will pull what ever it is set at also.

i'm just trying to give useful and very helpful info and you came across as being nobody can tell me anything.as alot of people know on here i am very blunt and up front.but if that is not your intentions then it is water under the bridge.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BEEYOND &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How come guys don't do a bit of NOS??? I'm just curious!!! Is it really a bad idea to add alittle laughing gas??? Just got done reading the 06 rules and 2 power adders were permitted... who in the Turbo4 class uses Turbo/NOS???

Let's say someone uses a GT40 non-ball bearing turbo and doesn't want to get a bigger or ball-bearing turbo...so wouldn't the next wise choice be NOS... $500.00 and 100shot or 100whp kicks in!!!

how about hit the NOS button in 3rd and 4th gear since traction isn't a threat at those gears....

good or no good???


Modified by BEEYOND at 6:37 AM 12/24/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who said traction isn't a threat in 3rd and 4th gear? Some people don't like nitrous because it's one more thing you have to get dial-in and personaly I would rather make that extra horsepower with the turbo but if I could get the turbo on it's own completely dial-in I wouldn't mind using nitrous later on.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BEEYOND &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How come guys don't do a bit of NOS??? I'm just curious!!! Is it really a bad idea to add alittle laughing gas??? Just got done reading the 06 rules and 2 power adders were permitted... who in the Turbo4 class uses Turbo/NOS???

Let's say someone uses a GT40 non-ball bearing turbo and doesn't want to get a bigger or ball-bearing turbo...so wouldn't the next wise choice be NOS... $500.00 and 100shot or 100whp kicks in!!!

how about hit the NOS button in 3rd and 4th gear since traction isn't a threat at those gears....

good or no good???


Modified by BEEYOND at 6:37 AM 12/24/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>Wow, this guy runs 10's??
if it wasnt for his sig, i would have thought he was a classic newb