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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 06:16 PM
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Just wondering where everyone thought the class was headed in '07? Whats it going to take to be competitive in this class? With the top of the class performing the way it did at the end of this season do you think it will be a completely 9 sec class next year? With the mph some guys were running the potential to go low 9's is there. Will tire size be the limiting factor and cars will only get a little bit faster, or will some of the racers figure out the chassis combo even better and go a good bit faster? Does a mid ten second car even stand a chance next year or what? Long wait for the tracks to open back up around here and that gives plenty of time to think.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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.....make em all drive 20 miles to the track....
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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This subject has been beaten to death the whole year.

The way I see it is, if you want to race, show up. It doesnt matter if you are a 9 sec car, 10, 11 or even a 12 sec car. Certain cars are going to be fast no matter what. While the other 80% are all within 1/2 a sec of each other, there will be that couple cars that will be 1 second faster than everyone. Whatever rules they throw at us and restrictions, lets take it like it is.

No one knows who's going to win at the end. The #1 qualifiers can break as much as the rest of the field can. Each driver has the same chance at the light and some just arent that good at the light, even some of the drivers of the fastest cars.

Alot of us have spoken up about this topic and the conclusion I see is that you cant please everyone. Not everyone wants to slow the class down. Not everyone wants to make it faster. So just build a car to however fast you can make it.

Show up at the events, Race it, Have Fun and if you win thats cool.

not directed to the OP, just my 2 cents.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This subject has been beaten to death the whole year.

The way I see it is, if you want to race, show up. It doesnt matter if you are a 9 sec car, 10, 11 or even a 12 sec car. Certain cars are going to be fast no matter what. While the other 80% are all within 1/2 a sec of each other, there will be that couple cars that will be 1 second faster than everyone. Whatever rules they throw at us and restrictions, lets take it like it is.

No one knows who's going to win at the end. The #1 qualifiers can break as much as the rest of the field can. Each driver has the same chance at the light and some just arent that good at the light, even some of the drivers of the fastest cars.

Alot of us have spoken up about this topic and the conclusion I see is that you cant please everyone. Not everyone wants to slow the class down. Not everyone wants to make it faster. So just build a car to however fast you can make it.

Show up at the events, Race it, Have Fun and if you win thats cool.

not directed to the OP, just my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>



I'm hoping to put something together this winter and just get out there this year.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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you can usally make a 16 car field with a 10.50-10.80 car... then whatever happens from there happens the guy next to may run 9.60 but he may break.. just focus on what you got to do cut a good light and hope for the best
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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I know I won't do all that well next season competing in SFWD, but it's going to be fun
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 08:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This subject has been beaten to death the whole year.
The way I see it is, if you want to race, show up. It doesnt matter if you are a 9 sec car, 10, 11 or even a 12 sec car. .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well if you want to race and show up with a 11 or 12 second car you proabbly get more passes in brackets or fun run. Thats why I feel a lot of people where running power street in Nopi but with bias plys now its going to be for people not competive in Turbo Street or SPFWD but still a baller class. Seems like you have to not eat or spend way to much much money to be compettive those of us who are getting older and have wifes now are starting to wonder if its even worth showing up at events anymore.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the rules are for SFWD? thanks..
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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I heard the new rule for 07 is if art doesn't break into the 9's he has to convert his car to right hand drive cause we know all jdm cars run nines
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bracket 4 life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I heard the new rule for 07 is if art doesn't break into the 9's he has to convert his car to right hand drive cause we know all jdm cars run nines</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup thats whay i heard at sema.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can anyone tell me what the rules are for SFWD? thanks..</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slo96ex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....make em all drive 20 miles to the track.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you think that any of the top cars in the class can't drive 20 miles, you are kidding yourself. Last time I checked, a 1/4 pass at 800 HP was ALOT harder on parts than a 20 mile trip. Just because the racers choose to not drive their cars on the street does not mean that they can't.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XXXRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you think that any of the top cars in the class can't drive 20 miles, you are kidding yourself. Last time I checked, a 1/4 pass at 800 HP was ALOT harder on parts than a 20 mile trip. Just because the racers choose to not drive their cars on the street does not mean that they can't. </TD></TR></TABLE>

, and im sure most of these pro cars(prorwd,profwd,hotrod, pro all motor) could drive on the street for 20 miles too. thats where we came from "economy cars"


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This subject has been beaten to death the whole year.

The way I see it is, if you want to race, show up. It doesnt matter if you are a 9 sec car, 10, 11 or even a 12 sec car. Certain cars are going to be fast no matter what. While the other 80% are all within 1/2 a sec of each other, there will be that couple cars that will be 1 second faster than everyone. Whatever rules they throw at us and restrictions, lets take it like it is.

No one knows who's going to win at the end. The #1 qualifiers can break as much as the rest of the field can. Each driver has the same chance at the light and some just arent that good at the light, even some of the drivers of the fastest cars.

Alot of us have spoken up about this topic and the conclusion I see is that you cant please everyone. Not everyone wants to slow the class down. Not everyone wants to make it faster. So just build a car to however fast you can make it.

Show up at the events, Race it, Have Fun and if you win thats cool.

not directed to the OP, just my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>

do it for yourself.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:49 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

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LOL

alright everyone, time to run your cars through tech...
Scatter shield - check
catch pan - check
driver safety equipment - check
receipts showing that you only spent X amount on the car - check
bank account and credit card statements for the last 12 months chronicling the build-up for your vehicle - damn, forgot this one, sorry ferguson we can't race this weekend

no more complaining about the cost of this class please - if you can't afford to the build the car to the caliber that you feel necessary to compete then NHRA offers other great options including the Quick 16 and Brackets

where there is competition there will alway be one person trying to out do another and generally what this comes down to is spending more money on a vehicle in most cases but in other cases it comes down to finding other ways to get the same result without out of pocket expense

as of right now in my opinion the NHRA rulebook for the class is dead on - keeps us all very competitive and the racing is close, the field turnout for the events is great - why would anyone want to change that

and last time i check the East Coast Champion for 2006 won with a B series and a 67mm turbo - rules weren't even exploited to their fullest ---- yet
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 06:33 AM
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Well said
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This subject has been beaten to death the whole year.

The way I see it is, if you want to race, show up. It doesnt matter if you are a 9 sec car, 10, 11 or even a 12 sec car. Certain cars are going to be fast no matter what. While the other 80% are all within 1/2 a sec of each other, there will be that couple cars that will be 1 second faster than everyone. Whatever rules they throw at us and restrictions, lets take it like it is.

No one knows who's going to win at the end. The #1 qualifiers can break as much as the rest of the field can. Each driver has the same chance at the light and some just arent that good at the light, even some of the drivers of the fastest cars.

Alot of us have spoken up about this topic and the conclusion I see is that you cant please everyone. Not everyone wants to slow the class down. Not everyone wants to make it faster. So just build a car to however fast you can make it.

Show up at the events, Race it, Have Fun and if you win thats cool.

not directed to the OP, just my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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LOL

alright everyone, time to run your cars through tech...
Scatter shield - check
catch pan - check
driver safety equipment - check
receipts showing that you only spent X amount on the car - check
bank account and credit card statements for the last 12 months chronicling the build-up for your vehicle - damn, forgot this one, sorry ferguson we can't race this weekend

no more complaining about the cost of this class please - if you can't afford to the build the car to the caliber that you feel necessary to compete then NHRA offers other great options including the Quick 16 and Brackets

where there is competition there will alway be one person trying to out do another and generally what this comes down to is spending more money on a vehicle in most cases but in other cases it comes down to finding other ways to get the same result without out of pocket expense

as of right now in my opinion the NHRA rulebook for the class is dead on - keeps us all very competitive and the racing is close, the field turnout for the events is great - why would anyone want to change that

and last time i check the East Coast Champion for 2006 won with a B series and a 67mm turbo - rules weren't even exploited to their fullest ---- yet</TD></TR></TABLE>

Both very well said!
the rules are there, if you cant afford to compete, try a difforant class that is better suited for you and your wallet... If you dont like the rules, run a difforant class...
I get very tired of hearing people complain about the rules of this class, or complain about how much it costs to build a car for the class... Crying wont change reality...
If you cant afford it dont do it or do what most of us do and work more to make more money to dump into the race cars...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XXXRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you think that any of the top cars in the class can't drive 20 miles, you are kidding yourself. Last time I checked, a 1/4 pass at 800 HP was ALOT harder on parts than a 20 mile trip. Just because the racers choose to not drive their cars on the street does not mean that they can't. </TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly...i hate that just because we choose to trailer our cars were not considered "street cars" by some ppl....it saves time by not having to change tires and drop exhaust etc. or w/e else ppl do to get their cars rdy for racing...and if we break we dont have to pay for a tow home
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XXXRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you think that any of the top cars in the class can't drive 20 miles, you are kidding yourself. Last time I checked, a 1/4 pass at 800 HP was ALOT harder on parts than a 20 mile trip. Just because the racers choose to not drive their cars on the street does not mean that they can't. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i drove mine to the dyno, took a couple passes around the city of northridge, went to pick up a cig's at the liquor store and then took a pass down devonshire, and if you live in northridge, you know how devonshire is..... lapd it will drive aqll day long till the gas runs out of the trans breaks in my case
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:22 PM
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I wasnt asking should I race nor was I complaining about the cost of racing I just wanted to know where others thought the class was headed in 07. Some off season bench racing if you will. SFWD and SS are my two favorite classes by far and its fun to talk about. Had this discussion with some friends the other day and just wanted some more input. MazworxRaceSupply said and last time i check the East Coast Champion for 2006 won with a B series and a 67mm turbo - rules weren't even exploited to their fullest ---- yet and I agree. So when the rules are exploited to their fullest how fast will the class go? Will it be like SS where the top car(s) cover the field by .5-1.0 sec? Will the rest of the country catch up with the coasts? Will we see a legal trans in a certain ecotec? (Just me dreaming out loud )

With current turbo and tuning technology it wouldnt be a big deal for any of the cars in this class to do 20-30 miles on the street. I dont see any point in making them do it.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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Oh as for the whole trailer thing its stupid to think that trailering a car makes it any less of a street car. Hell there was a brand new 06 z06 at atco this sun. with just drag radials and a filter as the only mods. He trailerd it from md. Why? - no room for radials or a jack plus he has broken something like three half shafts. Top it off he was on the trailer and pulling out before I had swapped tires. No one can argue that they would rather worry about breaking far from home, deal with packing and unpacking tires/jack spares, along with other worries, just to say hey its a street car because I drove it to the track. Even if its a daily driver its much easier and less stressful to throw it on the trailer to go to the track. The only people who think otherwise are those without trailers and thus the option.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can anyone tell me what the rules are for SFWD? thanks..</TD></TR></TABLE>

no limit on displacement,
any fuel,
no power adders = weight penalty, but more than 2 are a 200 lb weight break.
26" tires and open exhaust are allowed. oh yeah on auto trannies, trans brakes are allowed.
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no limit on displacement,
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no power adders = weight penalty, but more than 2 are a 200 lb weight break.
26" tires and open exhaust are allowed. oh yeah on auto trannies, trans brakes are allowed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sick, with this new set of rules, we can expect to see 3sec. gains on the ET's
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vw1320 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I just wanted to know where others thought the class was headed in 07.
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I hopped in my time machine Delorean and set the time to the end of the 2007 Season. Checked the Dsport Magazines for all the results.
From what I saw there were alot of 10 sec cars and some new cars that went into the 9s.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I hopped in my time machine Delorean and set the time to the end of the 2007 Season. Checked the Dsport Magazines for all the results.
From what I saw there were alot of 10 sec cars and some new cars that went into the 9s.

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i call BS....

delorean's only go back in time.....DUH.....


..edit...errrr, crap - i dont' think i saw the 2nd one - did they go to the future in that one?
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i call BS....

delorean's only go back in time.....DUH.....


..edit...errrr, crap - i dont' think i saw the 2nd one - did they go to the future in that one?</TD></TR></TABLE>
They went back into the past, then the future at the end of the movie. "where we are going we don't need roads." lol
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