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Old May 10, 2002 | 10:45 PM
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Asking for a friend cause I dont know. Here is the setup. 1997 Accord EX. Swapped in a 2001 H22a4. Car will not start with the 2001 H22a ecu in there. Car will start with the 97 accord ecu in there. The Ecu is a known working ecu. Can someone send me the pinouts for this setup. Or direct me in the place to look for any wiring changes that need to be done.

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Old May 10, 2002 | 10:52 PM
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wiring correct?
jeebias...almost 92000 posts? are you kiddin me???
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Old May 10, 2002 | 11:02 PM
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wiring correct?
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Fo Sho. He didnt do any wiring except. That is where you guys come in. I dont know what pinouts need to be changed in order to be able to run the 01 H22 ecu.

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Old May 10, 2002 | 11:17 PM
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dude im not sure...wait until tomm mornin when the guys that have done the sway chime in...sorry dude
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Old May 11, 2002 | 09:00 AM
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which wiring harness did you use?? im guessing you used the 97 accord one, which means you are going to need a complete wiring diagram of both ECU's. you'll have to go over each pin and make sure that they are the same. if not, you'll have to move the pins on the 97 wiring harness to match the pins on the 01 ECU. only other way to do this without moving pins is to use the 01 wiring harness. it shouldnt take long to check all the wires. most of the wiring should be the same, save for a few.


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Old May 11, 2002 | 11:25 AM
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if the ECU is a 2001 H22a4 - don't you need to byass the imobilizer? otherwise the car will not start at all.
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Old May 11, 2002 | 01:28 PM
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I dont mind moving pins, I just dont know which to move. The harness that is in the car is the 97 harness. Should I try the 01 harness? Has anyone ever done this swap before? Any help is greatly appreciated. Should we get the 97 H22a ecu and try that?

if the ECU is a 2001 H22a4 - don't you need to byass the imobilizer? otherwise the car will not start at all.
I dont know. The car will turnover and over but will not start with the 01 ecu in.

Thanks alot, JAson
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Old May 11, 2002 | 03:14 PM
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You should get a P13 ECU and convert the car to OBD I.
You'll need new injectors and a distributor too.
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Old May 11, 2002 | 08:27 PM
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Yeah, I recommended making him a harness, but he wants to try and use as much as the original as he can. Does his 01 ECu have the immobilizer in it? What year did the P13 ecu come from? His car is still running the resistor box for the injectors.

Thanks again-JAson
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Old May 11, 2002 | 08:29 PM
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the 01 ecu has the immobilizer system...i dont think its gonna work
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Old May 11, 2002 | 09:20 PM
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The 5th gen USDM Preludes have the immobilizer and OBD II. It's just not worth it. You have to convert to OBD I and the P13 ECU which is the 4th gen Lude VTEC ECU (or the JDM H22A ECU). Again, to do this conversion you need the distributor and injectors from a '93-'96 Lude VTEC.
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Old May 11, 2002 | 09:35 PM
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Or can't you have the immobilizer immobilized? Maybe that guy "Katman" (frequents the Civic forum) can do something with it. Keep in mind that in CA, going the OBD1 route could be a dicey proposition in keeping it smog-legal.
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Old May 11, 2002 | 10:03 PM
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Default I dont know

This might help
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Old May 11, 2002 | 10:04 PM
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This might help
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Old May 11, 2002 | 10:11 PM
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uhhhm how is that supposed to help him get it started?
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Old May 12, 2002 | 06:23 AM
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Or can't you have the immobilizer immobilized? Maybe that guy "Katman" (frequents the Civic forum) can do something with it. Keep in mind that in CA, going the OBD1 route could be a dicey proposition in keeping it smog-legal.
Yeah, I will call Katman this week and see what he says about it.
Thanks. Keep the ideas comming.
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Old May 12, 2002 | 04:38 PM
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Default Re: Swap help please.... (Blown90hatcH)

I dont see why you can't change directly over to the 97 Prelude ECU. I am pretty sure it doesn't have the immobilizer.
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Old May 12, 2002 | 08:37 PM
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I dont see why you can't change directly over to the 97 Prelude ECU. I am pretty sure it doesn't have the immobilizer.
Yeah, are there any draw backs on this. Are the ecu plugs different?

Jason
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Old May 13, 2002 | 06:02 AM
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You cannot use the 2001 ecu. That is ODB III and there is definately no known way of getting past the immobilizer system. To do so you would need the whole key assembly as well as a good friend at honda to reprogram everything. Not worth it.. You can either change your car to ODB I or ODB II. ODB one is less hassle and would require the least rewiring since all you have to do is get an adapter harness for you ECU and change the distributor.. ODB II is more complex due to the use of two O2 sensors and some other performance disabling things that are used for smog purposes..

Either way though you will have to spend a few dollars..
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Old May 13, 2002 | 07:10 AM
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That is ODB III
There is no such thing as OBD3
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Old May 13, 2002 | 07:28 AM
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Are you sure about that, or are you just going from hearsay..??
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Old May 13, 2002 | 07:36 AM
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Are you sure about that, or are you just going from hearsay..??
No such thing....... yet.

http://www.autotestreport.com/2001_Articles/04_obd.htm

http://asashop.org/autoinc/may/obd_iii_new.cfm

http://www.sts.sae.org/membersonly/t...oard-21-22.pdf

http://www.commondriver.com/newsobd.asp
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Old May 13, 2002 | 07:41 AM
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The 5th gen USDM Preludes have the immobilizer and OBD II. It's just not worth it. You have to convert to OBD I and the P13 ECU which is the 4th gen Lude VTEC ECU (or the JDM H22A ECU). Again, to do this conversion you need the distributor and injectors from a '93-'96 Lude VTEC.
actually you could just get a OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness, then you wouldn't have to convert the distributor and injectors.
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Old May 13, 2002 | 07:56 AM
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Glad to see you still around Big James. Sorry to hear about the about your ride though. That is one of my worst fears to be driving then see some huge truck tire barreling down towards me..

And yeah when I was talking about ODB III, I was really referring to the immobilizer system. My apologies. I know its still a concept..
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Old May 13, 2002 | 08:01 AM
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Thanks. It does suck.
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