Damaged Front End - Steering Play, Knock when driving, turning. Diagnosis?

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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 02:41 AM
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Default Damaged Front End - Steering Play, Knock when driving, turning. Diagnosis?

I just bought this 90 Civic dx as a winter beater, but the thing is that it has a b16a motor in it and 4 wheel disk

I took the car for a test drive when I bought it and there is something wrong with the front end.

You can kick the driver side tire, and it makes a noise kinda like its hitting something, a little more movement than it should have, also seemes to move more when you kick it in the rear

When driving there is slop in the steering wheel, you can move it a good bit efore you start turning

Also wen driving there is a thumping noise, its basically a constant thumping but it doesnt seem to change depeneding on speed. Isnt to loud but its loud enough and I think you can feel it

I havent had the time due to weather and work to jack the car up, but can anyone give me pointed on what it could be and what to check

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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 05:40 AM
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Default Re: Damaged Front End - Steering Play, Knock when driving, turning. Diagnosis? (PINKS)

Steering rack is bad, cv joints making noise, or tie rod ends. Thats the first place to start. And check them all over good.
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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for more info

Gonna pull the tire off shortly
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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I wanna know how to diagnose this stuff though aswell
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 12:50 PM
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Default Re: Damaged Front End - Steering Play, Knock when driving, turning. Diagnosis? (PINKS)

Lock the steering wheel and jack the car up, and with both hands shake the wheel from side to side and see if there is play. If there is play look behind the wheel to see where it is moving, then you'll have your answer.
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 12:54 PM
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Well I jacked it up and pulled the tire off and everything appears to be in dam good condition

I couldnt feel any movement in the tie rod or any spots on the ball joint but I was only pushing and pulling in different directions, all of the little busing boost seem to be perfectly intact

The only thing I noticed and dont know if this is normal is that the rotor and inner part of the caliper move a good bit

There is one screw in the caliper but I dont know if its rotted out or not

And for the caliper, its the inner part of it that has a good 1/4" play in it moving it left to right, slapping on the rotor

Need help

Also, I dunno if this car has a maual rack to being with or not. The slop doesnt bother me, as long as I get this noise/thump fixed
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 12:58 PM
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You can't count rotor movement if the wheel isn't on. If the wheel is on and the lugs are tight and you see that the rotor wiggles then you need a wheel bearing.
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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I dropped the car so that the wheel was touching and you can grab the top of the wheel and push it inward, i dont know how much, not very much but you can tell there is play somewhere, and the rotor seems to move with it

Then when you release all the pressure you just pushed into the wheel pushing it forward, you can feel it fall back out of play and contact something

You can basically grab the top of the wheel and go back and forth a bit making a little bit of noise

Thats what I was feeling when I was kicking it I guess
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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Default Re: Damaged Front End - Steering Play, Knock when driving, turning. Diagnosis? (PINKS)

Also if it is a wheel bearing, does it sound like it is?

What do you do? Just buy the bearing? Or do I need a new hub?

I need to order this tonight so I can have it for tomorrow and do it

Thanks guys
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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Make sure that it isn't your upper ball joint as well. A wheel bearing is ~$80 but requires a shop to press the hub out and press the new bearing and hug back in again.

Also, make sure that the axle nut is actually tight enough. I have seen that before where the wheel shook and the cv nut wasn't tight enough. The nut and axle keep the hub and bearing in place so if it's loose, and loaded up then the hub can move more than it should.
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Damaged Front End - Steering Play, Knock when driving, turning. Diagnosis? (jeremydde)

How do I check an upper ball joint? THe wheel moves a good bit

I can press it in myself, mr.michelon has a press

Just wanna order what I need so I can have it for the weekend
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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best bet bump so I can place my order within 30 min
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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