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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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Got the Hasport mounts for swap, but something's not right in the back.

1) If I'm not mistaken, there is a rear motor mount bracket. There is not one on the engine going in the car, do I need to get one? If so, will just any B-series rear motor mount bracket work?

2) Halfshaft. There should be a bracket to the inside of this; does that mount to that rear bracket as well?
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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90-93 integra t bracket
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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It's a T-bracket? I thought it was like a square lookin' type thing...

Is this also what the halfshaft hooks up with, or is that a bracket all it's own that mounts direct to the block?
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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Oh, and are the 90-91 different from the 92-93?
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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Hey man, i'll be glad to chime in. Your gonna need the T bracket like stated before. It looks kinda funky but its what you need, it bolts the tranny and motor. as far as the half-shaft it bolts to the back side of the motor or tranny cant remember but pretty simple. no bracket.
Im doing an ls swap soon so me and you should keep in touch.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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yea i have a ls swap in my EF and like ever already said it is the T-bracket you will need to make it fit right
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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Looks like this by any chance:

http://www.superhonda.com/phot...4.JPG

Yeah, I'm down. I'm just trying to get these last few parts, LoL.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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yes sir. its one of those mounts in the top right corner of the pic. Yea, getting those last few parts seems to never end for me.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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Kinda sucks...not enjoying it at all...that and I live in Dahlonega for school and the engine and stuff is in Woodstock, so I have to go on memory for EVERYTHING...

For the axles and halfshaft, will it matter if it's ABS or not and hydro tranny or not? The only difference that I know of is the ABS ring on the outside of those axles, but I think that can just be removed and won' tmatter...correct?
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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are you doing a hydro tranny conversion? If not I would stick too non-abs cable axles. and Make sure to use the same halfshaft for you axles. like if its a 90-93 da half-shaft use the same year axles.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 03:45 PM
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Sounds good, I appreciate the help. I can't wait to get these pieces and see how they work. Friggin'...I've never tinkered with anything that has axles AND a halfshaft, so I'm real shady. Can't wait to learn. Doing this whole swap without a manual.

Yeah, I know...but I running in the dark before walking with a light (hope that makes sense...I'm tired as ****)
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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Well if you've dealt with axles before this should be a walk in the park. The axle attaches to the halfshaft as if it was allready in the tranny, so nothing to be shady about there, and as far as the "manual" goes. I would rather do it with out one anywaze, just think of all the guys that were swaping these motors before h-t and the like. God Bless Them!
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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EXACTLY! Friggin' pioneers in the honda world. Lotta respect. I don't like to make things happen the REAL easy way. I prefer just to use them in the event that I get completely lost...as a reference. However, I ask all the questions as I come across the problem.

Makes it more fun.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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So what all do you need to complete your swap bro? Im in need of a flywheel cover, a integra throttle cable and a throttle cable bracket of my intake mani...
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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For your throt cable and maybe even a bracket, check salvage yards and/or ebaymotors.com. You'd be surprised what you can find, and if you can't find it there, I can probably pick something up here in GA to ship out to you. Flywheel cover...hmm...I'll keep an eye out.

I need:
Lower alternator bracket
rear T-bracket
ECU
O2 Sensor
Axles/Halfshaft
LS OBD1 engine harness
Clutch

and finally misc nuts/bolts

Then I've got everything. And I think I just found my alt bracket and t bracket and ECU. I sure hope so...I want this thing done over Thanksgiving break.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 05:23 AM
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Will the 94-00 bracket not work?
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 06:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JokerTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will the 94-00 bracket not work?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No it is different you need to get one from a 90-93 DA Integra...they are $50 or so shipped from Acura at http://www.acuraoemparts.com...I wish i would have saw this before the weekend i could have grabbed one at the junkyard..and so you know it can be auto or manual, the reat bracket is the same as for the mid shaft it has to be from a manual trans 90-93...you can also use the 94+ manual mid shaft but you need to then use the 94+ axles (drivers side is different) and change the axle seals to the 94+ Most local auto parts stores sell axles for around $50 w/ lifetime gaurentee i'd suggest getting those rather than buying used axles...don't get a LS engine harness you need to use the stock harness for the car and convert it as need to accomidate the motor if you have an SI it should just plug in with out really changing much at all and the you can just get the conversion harness for OBD1

I think i can help you out with a bucnh of the parts you need shoot me a PM and we can work somthing out
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 09:01 AM
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Alright, I've got a 91 hatch STD, just to clear up any unneccessary information.

The engine being swapped in is an OBD1 LS motor with a cable tranny.

As for that OBD1 LS harness, I was looking for it because I was going to use it to switch the harness that's in the car over to an MPFI...I figured and OBD1 LS harness would be the cheapest harness to pick up. Also, it would include the Alternator plug I needed and I think there's a few others, too, if I'm not mistaken.

As for the whole rear mounting assembly on the engine, it should just be the hasport mount mounted to the T-bracket, and the t-bracket mounted directly onto the block, correct?

As for the parts you have that I might be interested in...let me know what you've got.

For my understanding, I need 90-93 axles, halfshaft, hubs/knuckles, and t-bracket...all from 90-93. They all must match up in generation (IE: DA) Right?
The axles and half/shaft MUST be from a manual transmission, and the hubs and axles BOTH must be from a NON-ABS. As for the T-bracket, it can be from auto or manual (doesn't matter) so long as it's 90-93. All right?
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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I see you just want the harness for the lugs...I have the injector harness from a 93 DA Teg

For the alt you can use your D series one its a really easy modification to do I did it to my LS and it works perfect i can get you some pictures then yo don't have to swap plugs and you can always find D series alts for cheap

The rear mount bracket bolts to the rear hasport mount on the sub-frame and then yea bolts to the motor and the trans acctually where they meet up...Needs to be fro 90-93 DA Integra manual and Auto use the same bracket, i am using one from an auto I know there was one at the junkyard this past weekend if its still there this weekend i'll grab it for you

Since you have a STD hatch you will need to upgrade your hubs/Knuckles you can use EF DX/SI/EX or use the DA integras..i could get these for you but they will be a little expensive to ship but thats up to you...

The DA auto and manual mid shafts are different but the axles are the same...also as for abs/non-abs...from my experience there is no difference every axle I have seen had the abs ring on them for the sesnor and the non-abs tegs have the same kunkles/hubs as the abs just without the sensor in them, they have the whole and mounts for it so I will say you can use whichever you can get they won't click and there is no difference in length, if you are getting new ones ask for non-abs but i bet they will still have the ring on them..also if you get hubs/knuckles from a teg with abs you can remove the sesnor and stil use them
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 10:11 AM
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Lot to reply to, haha.

Harness, I'm not sure I'd be interested in. For that alternator idea, I already purchased myself an OBD1 from an LS. So I'd have to pick up an OBD1 alternator plug as well as switching my harness from DPFI to MPFI. Oh, and I need to make the harness adaptable to the 4-wire O2 sensor. however, I think those are the only electrical things I need to worry about; correct me if wrong? Oh, and I've already got the jumper harness for the ECU/cabin.

I'm aware of the knuckle change-out, and I'm going with the EX or DA (whichever I come across first/cheaper) so I can upgrade my brakes at the same time. I'll probably end up with DA's, so I'll be upgrade my MC and booster as well. The prop valve and rear discs have already been installed accordingly.

Glad ot hear the axles don't matter abs/non-abs. That'll make my search easier.

Check up on that T-bracket for me, though, as I'd definitly be interested. Also, try to save as many bolts for that hting as you can. For the front knuckles, I'll check with salvage yards here. Also keep an eye out for an alternator bracket (JUST the lower) and it's neccessary bolts. This would be a major help to me. I'll contact you in the event I find one before you do.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 10:22 AM
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Oh yea I should have the alt bracket i have 2 LS motor is my basement in peices

I'll see what i have for harness its cut up but I may still have the alt plug and I know I have a 4 wire O2 sensor and might have the harness side plug too...did you need an ECU too? I have a p06 which can be chipped to run the LS...the only other thing for the OBD1 conversion would be the dizzy plugs i think you have everything else

I can get DA knuckles just about any weekend...let me know but you best bet is to find them local since shipping will probably cost a good amount
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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In addition to the weight on those knuckles were in the season where shipping is inflated...just cuz they can.

For those LS motors, I might have a few other parts if you wanna make a quick buck for a couple pieces you don't need including nuts and bolts...

For the p06, I've been told about that, but I don't have the money to chip and/or tune right now. So I think I'm gonna stick with the PR4 ECU for the time being...just gotta find one.

Let me know about that o2 sensor/plugs. I'm DEFINITLY interested as well.

As for that dizzy, the one that I got with the motor was converted to OBD1 before I got it. That's about the only thing that I've figured out that this dude did with the engine. It's all FUBAR and ****...

Definitly check up, though, on that T-bracket and its bolts, the lower alternator bracket and its bolts, and the OBD1 plugs (Fuel Injectors and Alternator) and O2 sensor and it's complementing parts and give me a price.

The misc. nuts/bolts I'm looking for (if you have them lying around) are the flywheel bolts, one oil pan nut, one oil pan bolt, fuel-rail spacer (should be a little black spacer, you'll know it if you've got it) a fuel rail nut, exhaust manifold fasteners, oil pan plug, and the bolts that mount the tranny to the block, and I think that's it... If you have any or none of these, it's cool, just let me know. I'm definitly interested in hookin' up with you about these parts.
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