Nice vid to keep some peeps in check......make sure your not driving over your head/or like an "assclown".

http://video.google.com/videop...39169


Enjoy


Modified by Hooch'n at 8:25 PM 11/1/2006

 

What an idiot. That is why you need to drive your own line and not the line of the car in front of you. Also, just plain don't drive like a moron

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Erik95LS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is why you need to drive your own line and not the line of the car in front of you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

right on.

and NEVER follow that close. jeeesus.

yea, and dont drive like goddamned idiots. wow.

 

yes yes yes.... if there is one thing i can't stress enough it is the importance of following your own line. I had my first "off" at Gingerman this year bc of exactly that. I was in a train for the first time and followed the leader rather than my line i had practiced consistently up until that point.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Erik95LS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What an idiot. That is why you need to drive your own line and not the line of the car in front of you. Also, just plain don't drive like a moron</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

I didnt think it was THAT bad other than following way too damn close. the civic driver seemed to be hitting his apexes better than the R driver? not only that but how many of you have NEVER made a mistake or gone off during an HPDE? Ive only driven two events so Im no expert by any means, but if you are trying to improve yourself and test the limits and progress, you are going to over-do it at some point, no? just trying to look at it from both sides. granted he could have backed off and given himself some room as well.

 

couple of questions. was this really at expo? i thought there would be more cars on track at once. did he swipe any of the itr? i would be cussing ( at myself) but he's just zoned out i guess. does anyone know what the track officials make you do in this case? do you have to sit out or no harm no foul?

 

that is not expo.

if you drive like that at expo yo will not be on track very long at all. first off, drivers with no clue like them would have instructors.

and if you spin and almost flip like that, that car would not be on track for a while, would need to be checked out and re-tech'ed.

being 'zoned out' is no excuse. that is poor driving by the trailing car. and BAD driving in front, imo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that is not expo.

if you drive like that at expo yo will not be on track very long at all. first off, drivers with no clue like them would have instructors.

and if you spin and almost flip like that, that car would not be on track for a while, would need to be checked out and re-tech'ed.

being 'zoned out' is no excuse. that is poor driving by the trailing car. and BAD driving in front, imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with all this.

if he was able to stay that close to the integra than he should've either backed off and given himself room or passed the ITR. I think its just too idiots playing around trying to "race" one another on an empty track that obviously had NO safety regulations......which is pure idiocy.

 

Looked like me and Nishant battling @ Expo 5. Just kidding

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Opie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looked like me and Nishant battling @ Expo 5. Just kidding </TD></TR></TABLE>

I went off in my own group, not yours! I overheated my R comps. It wasn't fun

 

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I went off in my own group, not yours! I overheated my R comps. It wasn't fun </TD></TR></TABLE>

i don't remember seeing you on track!

...only you on the side of the highway as we wizzed by!

 

Other than following too close, it seemed his lines were better. But Im just a novice when it comes to driver education.

 

you guys are missing the point.

he almost flipped, didn't anyone catch that?

and he was practically bump drafting the guy.

no offense to anyone intended at all.

 

Chris N, ****** effer, he almost flipped because he made a reaction that was based on following too close. If he was more distant from the vehicle ahead of him, it would have never happened, plain and simple.

 

It's not unusual for drivers to be very close to each other in faster groups. A Group 3 or Group 4 driver might just never get out of your way if you're not showing him that you want him to get out of the way.

Maybe the following car should've pitted to get room.

Maybe the Integra should've been shown a blue flag.

Maybe the run group has very restrictive passing rules? It seems to me there was at least one opportunity to point the following car.

Maybe those two drivers shouldn't be in the same group.

Maybe they shouldn't have been so hot on the first lap.

I dunno.

It's hard to be a judge from way over here.

 

We are discussing a "minimum distance" between cars...too often it's the distance & focusing on the back bumper that causes this kind of circumstance.

Thanks for finding this video. It's a great example of following the leader & "throttle lift oversteer".

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BudMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a great example of following the leader & "throttle lift oversteer".</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. It's a classic example of that.

While I agree that students should not follow that closely, the CTR driver became fixated on the ITR, lifted, and as a result, induced a spin. Nothing more, nothing less.

In racing, FWIW, the distance that the two cars had between them was honestly not that close. For an HPDE though, that is too close, especially since it appeared that the drivers didn't have enough crisis management to avoid incidents.

JMO

Nice vid nonetheless, Andy. That CTR sounds bad ***!

 

That was a little scary

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

...only you in the back of a highway patrol car as we wizzed by! </TD></TR></TABLE>

that needed some adjusting

 

point taken.

But it might do well to know more specifics of the event that George brought up, because in certain areas in advanced groups, assuming the following car was a better driver not just a faster car over his head, the distance didn't seem out of the ordinary if setting up a pass. But now theres all sorts of assumptions that we just don't know by the video so we can only take it at face value which is why I say point taken.

 

I bet someone needed a clean pair of undies

 

In for home viewing

 

My 2 cents:

I believe the real story here is that these two guys went out on the track to dice with each other with little regard for safety. The civic was clearly being driven better and appeared to be a much faster car. They go out together on an open track with cold tires and on the first corner where it can get dicey they almost come together and/or flip their cars (This is turn one at Shannonville’s Fabi track and has a reputation for flipping cars).

With regards to Expo this scenario would almost certainly never take place because:

1. The driver run groups would never have these two guys on the track together.
2. The prevailing attitude that this event is for fun and dangerous behavior is not tolerated.

I’ve had my share of on track “battles” at various Expo events (in the advanced group) and in every instance there was always a safety margin given to the lead car. The trailer MUST have an exit plan at all times when approaching or following another car at speed. This is just good defensive driving practice which works on public roads. I NEVER try to pressure anyone into a mistake (which clearly happened here) or felt pressure from anyone (i.e. Chris F and his 400+ WHP monster).

Having a healthy competitive spirit is what drives a lot of us here, but knowing your own limits and controlling the situation are extremely important for your safety and those around you.

 

Lovely Shannonville.

I've taken this corner at over 1G, it's about a 80km corner from a back straight of going about 160km or so.

From review, the civic was going into the corner too hot, he was basically imitating all the moves of the ITR. Throttle lift and then spin.

I think these guys don't mind wrecking their cars if they are racing like that. Clearly the Civic was a quicker car and was just pressuring the ITR into making a mistake.