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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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i ve got h&r sports on my 97 teg with kyb gr2 s. no camber kit!!! the camber is at about -3.75 on the front(both tires) and rear at about -2. this is fun for high speed corners, but is playing hell with my tires. the inside edge is almost flat. the reason i have hesitatied to buy camber adjusters is that the tires seem like that they are gonna rub the side wall against the inside of the fender well if i remove any of the camber. i have yokohama yk420 tires 195/55/r/15 on stock alloys. and YES i did search this topic and found no answer to my liking.
i hope that in your combined infinite wisdom (wink wink) that the gods of honda-tech will grant my my solution before my tires blow!
my options are to a) put stock springs back on b) buy camber kits and hope it works out without rubbing tires or c) just keep buying new tires every 10 months (NO, on second thought not an option)
has anyone had any experience with this prob and will be willing to tell me how to fix this dillema? i thought everything was fine til' i went to change my oil last week and saw the extent of the wear
please...HELP...QUICKLY!!!
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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when was the last time you got your car aligned.
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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If this is a DD car, that's way more camber than you need. Camber kit and as Tyson said, get an alignment.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Damn, seems that your car is slammed. Pics or slammage/camber?
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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seriously, -3.75 means your car is LOW
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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There is no way in hell you have -3.75 camber in the fronts with h&r sport springs unless something is fucked up.

An alignment will cure most tire wear issues though.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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well i got an allignment this week. my camber was way high at -3.75, but even with the alignment ( and no camber kit) it wont go anywhere better than - 2.25. so acamber kit is in the future,
and yeah its pretty low.the h&r springs said it would give a 2 inch drop in front,and 1.75 in rear, but it seems like more!
im not too concerned though, its up for sale, i need a new ride, for dd and dont have any money to put into playing with my teg
which kits do you guys recomend?
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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how did your camber change?

and -2.25 is not a lot of camber. i sitll wouldnt bother with a camber kit.

now that your wheels are aligned straight, you dont have to worry about wear.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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God people just don't listen.

Camber DOES NOT destroy tires, TOE does.

To the op: you don't need a camber kit. Period.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misanthropist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">God people just don't listen.

Camber DOES NOT destroy tires, TOE does.

To the op: you don't need a camber kit. Period.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed. I'm daily driving with -4.0* camber on my GSR, since its also my autocross and HPDE car. -2.25* is nothing, just get the toe correctly set.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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^ damn. Pics?
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Toe absolutely does kill tires but to say that camber doesn't do anything on a car set at 2.5* is just silly. Camber does wear tires just not 1/2 as bad as toe does. I used to run 2.2* of camber with the toe set at zero. Even with rotations done more than needed the wear in the inside of the tire was obviously more than the outside. Once the tire got down to the wear bars.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kame1997 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i got an allignment this week. my camber was way high at -3.75, but even with the alignment ( and no camber kit) it wont go anywhere better than - 2.25. so acamber kit is in the future,
and yeah its pretty low.the h&r springs said it would give a 2 inch drop in front,and 1.75 in rear, but it seems like more!
im not too concerned though, its up for sale, i need a new ride, for dd and dont have any money to put into playing with my teg
which kits do you guys recomend?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Camber is not ajustable on our cars. I'm starting to think you're just fing with us.
And there is no way you have 3.75* of camber from spirt springs. Unless the car was in an accident.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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heres a translation for you dvp, he said he got -3.75 camber with kits. without kits he would have been at -2.25.

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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Thanks for the "translation" but he clearly says 3.75 without a kit and with sport springs. Even the race springs wouldn't give him 3.75* of camber. And it wouldn't go under 2.25 of camber for some other reason. Maybe I don't have the whole picture but if I don't it's because he's leaving something out.


Modified by dvp at 8:54 PM 11/12/2006
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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yeah youre right. i was in a bad mood and wasnt thinking straight. i was thinking this had to do with another thread. my bad.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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Makes it tough to help someone when they're confused or can't communicate well.
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 03:45 PM
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no, no i said it right, when i went to this firestone near my house the print out said -3.75. i ran this setting for a few days and took the car into another firestone( i have a lifetime allignment and will not pay to have an alignment again!) they set everything as close to spec as possible with no camber kit. the toe is set to zero and the camber ,like dvp said, wont go below -2.2...or somwhere around there. and hell yes! camber eats at your tires, even with the toe set at zero. and if it is not dramatic to most, im a working class schmuck, and that exra someodd thousand miles worn off by neg camber is a curse. if i can save my tires a bit longer with a camber kit or even putting stock springs back on, than thats gonna have to happen soon! cause these tires are very very low ion that inner edge. and since price is an issue here, unless anyone has a lowpriced recomendation for camber kits, im gonna have to spend the time to put my stock springs back on.
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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So right now it's set at around 2.2* correct? The whole 3.75* was confusing me. If the toe is set at Zero tire wear wont be too bad but having a camber kit will make it that much better.
Camber is not adjustable on our cars. So the camber must have been out bad from the toe.
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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well the car is now sold! i decided that it was time for a new car! i got the camber and toe prob fixed with ingalls in the rear and skunk sport kit in the front. but i had the teg for about 5 yrs and thought that i'd go ahead and get an 07 Fit. i get the car tomorrow. I'll try and post pics on Fit thread. I hope i'm happy with my decision?!
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