WARNING : low budged dud,,cheap and junkyard parts are recommended

hello people im new here but not a noob when it comes to turbo charging,,and im planing to boost with 13psi..to reach 300hp,,is that possible with stock internals.? are they strong enought for that .? imean what i have is Des,lol :

f20b2(it non vtec same as F20b1 but without V-tec) its a middle east spec car (gulf spec) i dont know if you guys had the f20b2 in da USA and i lost the spec cataloge for ma car so i dont know how much is the stock comression ratio if you guys have any idea of it pleas let me know so i can know how much boost i can run
as for the dawnpipe they are da same as f22 as far as i know,,and yes TUrbo-kit.com said that the turbo kit they well fit the f20b2 i have (to make things familair for you guys there)

found a performace garage here in uae,,thaaank god (for turbo piping and fuel system crap)

hmmm but ofcourse..well
I HATE THIS reTAARD ENGINE (f20b2)

OOH one last important thing..i have an automatic transmession well that be strong enought for 300hp or more.?

another semilar issue for this engine is here :http://www.topendmotorsports.com/showthread.php?t=3091

were this guy lives in Trinidad were it is kinda harsh to live there (thats why he got da lowest engine options like ma self and since i live in da middle east then h22 is only available in da prelude sucks but true,, but in uae were they allow all kind of USDM JDM AND euro spec cars modified and non-modified to be imported (multi cars spec market,,LOL in the used car market) they even have ACCORD EURO..totaly deffrent in da way it look ex : fifth genartion we know looks deffrent in fifth generation ACCOrd euro,,lol sweet alot of option pluse da gulf market (middle east market)..lol ama call it MEDM..lol hahahahaha..well

thanks alot and please help ya poor hondah comrade..lol..SANKYUUUUUuuuu(produces echo as i go away)


Modified by crazyFaizy at 12:44 AM 10/27/2006

 

Now i'm not a turbo person but I'm going to say on stock internals 13psi will work for about 10 minutes then blow your engine to smitherines. I would imagine anything past 10 psi will require some strengthening

 

ooh should i go to http://www.f22parts.com then..?(they have everything for that engine but not sure it well fit..?)
but hey..well it barley hold it for 300hp or is like thes : OKAy gemee more sukaaa..

im all ears for this one anything for that well help would be apprecait it..?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crazyFaizy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ooh should i go to http://www.f22parts.com then..?(they have everything for that engine but not sure it well fit..?)
but hey..well it barley hold it for 300hp or is like thes : OKAy gemee more sukaaa..

im all ears for this one anything for that well help would be apprecait it..? </TD></TR></TABLE>

i don't know how to say this but....actually we as American do not act/speak/write like what you see in MTV or tipical American movies.(some of use do but..most of us, no)

300whp stock internal will last you a day or two

you need to get some real spec for your car since no one is from your region, this is tipical honda fashion, they don't like boost much.

 

thanks alot for your help,,,,ill try to get the parts for ma litle projec,,and as for the way i talk i know you guys dont talk like that i go to AUS (american universty of sharjah) and all the americans theredont talk that way i know that its just ma way of tlaking , i dont belive in MTV stuff casue i hate the televestion as there is alot of faking in it these things ,,im not pointing into certain country here but that goes for all country,,lol,,,,but however if this way of talking bothers ya then ill repect that and talk plain english that way no one think that im trying to be somthing,,,,aiiyt..?
i just happen to be good at english ,,and didnt just learn it from the american side only (multi accents),,

back to main subject :

aaaahheem,,well...lez see..as ya mentioned hondah engines needs to be modified in order to accept boost,,but i was browsing the furom and did find that they say : it is a stock engine for boosting some went far to 20.? i was glad to hear that but never the less it is peoples experaince and may very in ma condtion (got the ma from ma girl,,lol i cant help its stuck i cant get red of it&lt;LOL bare me abit please)

lets see we do races events in the winter and thats becasue of the unbleivale hot weather..same thing with UAE pluse 60% to 100 percent humidty in summer,,yeep we have a killer weather and only japanes cars survive there (super quility) for atleast 5 years then it depend on the quality of the maintance,american cars are good but needs abit more care,,less face it hondah cars are world know for there durable,,saw one with 400,000 on the milage meter..and still runing strong,,so no qustion about it,,wich made think about boosting it instead of any other brands

AS for the boosting thing again i heard alot of people saying they acheived somthing like 280 hp from boosting it oVEr 10psi.on stock internals ..i mean if thats true then dud all i want is 7 if it is gona be very reliable,,,..

and baa bye and on (the ech thing was my invention i know that many did the same but i didnt know that,,LOL)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now i'm not a turbo person but I'm going to say on stock internals 13psi will work for about 10 minutes then blow your engine to smitherines. I would imagine anything past 10 psi will require some strengthening</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's not psi which will blow the internals, it is the horsepower created. that said, the HP at 13 psi should be enough to toast some pistons pretty quickly, unless timing is so retarded that you're hardly making power.

300 hp + stock pistons =


What engine management are you planning to use?

 

f22parts.com sucks there very expensive. go to cb7tuner.com read in the perfomnace section and got to forced induction, and read until ur eyes hurt. thats where i got all my info on my f22a6. the f20b can be boosted but 13psi is kind of high.youll fry ringlands but maybe with 8psi is fine and a good tune(chipped ecu)with either hondata or uberdata to tune. u wont get 300 but maybe 230 or more. most junkyard bulds consist of either a dsm turbo which is already internally westgated at 8psi. (like 14b). im boosting my f22a6 with 14b turbo, dsm manifold, 450cc injectors,fmic,and its auto and it wont last a long time but it last until i save for 5spd. looking for 200-220 on a good tune. just some info

 

thanks alot notoriousB and turbo cd7,,that does help alot..yeah i was woundering if i can do an 8pis or 7 if possible ..that way im in the safe side,,but if the auto wount last that long then a 5 speed manaul is recomneded with some performace clutches,,may add a lightwhight flywheel as well to enhance shifting ..that way reducing the load on the tranny (correct me if im wrong).....

and is i saw bullsayes management system(is it good enought for tuning the ecu) as it mentioned that it is universal ..? dont now if it is good for ma car..
or is that a diffrent case cause i realy realy suck when it comes to ecu..oh didnt know there is a managment system called hondata is that all i need..?
thanks aloot for the help ,,,,

 

thanks mr wonderful for your help ..im going to it phase by phase since i dont have much in meanwhile so..im kinda more into keeping everything stock for now

current compination :

T30/T04..,stock injectors...,stock pistones..., stock ecu...(does it have to be tuned.?) i dont think so since i have stock injectors well ill wait for answeres
i know that compination wount pass the 200hp..lol and as for the intercoler it well be fabricated by someone i know and since ma tranny is auto then i cant go any further than that untill i get the 5 speed

im kinda afraid of the detonationsince winter is coming now (fffinaly its getting colder alot of street freak can be heard outside at night now)
but any idea how much that well achive.? (hp.?)


heeeey how about horsepowerfreaks.com..?are also expensive if they are then getting the parts to uae wel be hard as they offer shipping to the region,, ..lol

and deeen..(chines) when i receive morw cash ill go further (bigger turbo+ fancy pistones + and main bearings for ultra strengting)

 

is it possible for me to mess with the ecu tuning device or does it need a pro`s and technitions to work with it..?
i the thing is iv around carburators for a long timew and dont know crap about ecu FI and so,,,

i still find it hard to belive that this engine can take the abuse of 300hp with stock internals MR wounderfull maybe becasue the weather is generaly colder even in summer,,but the milag on the engine is 180 000 so im kinda woreid about going that far ona stock engine,,,the problem is i cant find palces for making pistones that can hold that much but the rest is taking care of,,anyone knows stronger pistones that can be swapped into this engine..? (F20B2) or even a foged one on any engine USDM or JDM dotns matter they exsist in uae but i cant tell wich one has..so please advice....


Modified by crazyFaizy at 4:39 PM 10/29/2006

 

i went today to "SPORTS" (the performance shop im dealing with) and they said that my engine cant go above 5psi to make around 200 hp with the stock internal and chip modings and since im auto and due to engine condtion UNless a complet overhal with the proper internals are made with a 5speed tranny salveged from junkyard then they can consider doing a 350hp setup and to do the 350hp setup its gona cost somthging like 4500 dollars if not more abit to do it right and yes as you said they are gona use a better fuel pump and custome made fuel rails but the the proper pistones are still an issue here i cant forged pistones for the jop....
lots and lots of details and chat we went throught (they were nice to give me some tea and tell me about some accednt involving forcing stock internals and cheap parts for it and there like if you dont have budget do not exceed in odrder to be ion the safe side cause 300hp needs a series cash and there like dont do it eighter if you ya can barly afford it casue possibles issue might arise since the engine isnt new,,kinda frostrating to hear but its the bitter truth,, neeeeeed cash) or els drag with minivans,,lol

anyone can tell me what pistones i can order from outside and have it shipped to my location i dont care how much they cost but for me living her it well be a saver and a reallly realy STRONg ones stuff rated for 500hp since im going to spend mostly,,so anyone knows a wepsite that does ship it UAE with cridt card (please no PAYpal as im not A US resident and i was begging them to open me a an account,,lol to make things easier for me but no luck,, ..i dont care if it strokes it to 2.2 may lose some reving but more toruq in all reving levels..awaiting your answeres

your honda comrade....
sorry mr wounderfull..300hp is gona wait abit,,apologize for your time with me..(taps on your shoulder with respect)......
got a cuple of pix for the engine bay and engine code but dont know how to post them ,,(noob issue)..maybe becaue i dont have enougth permssion,,perhaps...


Modified by crazyFaizy at 8:17 PM 10/29/2006

 

oii found the CR for my engine,,its
9.1 : 1

not bad eeh..? how far i can go with shity cast pistones.?

im having problem with ecu tuning.? is there a universal programer.?
also how to set fuel pressur regulator.?

 

good lord, back from the dead.

leave the FPR alone, just run the stock one. unless you have a RRFPR (aka FMU).

you need some kind of engine managment. hondata, crome, uberdata, AEM, e-manage, SOMETHING.

your cast pistons' life will depend on the tune. with a GOOD conservative tune 200-230 hp should last quite a while.

 

homemadeturbo.com is your friend

 

yeah.....first thing first...before running your new turbo set up...GET FMU...DYNO TUNE...i know rich is the bitch, but a little on a richer side is better if u want it to last for a min. Retard ur timing also. Go from there...if your injectors aint holding up, go get some DSMs or something...Just dont underspend on Fuel management...Running into a lean spots is what kills the motor