Price of them aside, performance wise which would be better. Or Tein SS? Please do not tell me to look at the graphs since i would not know what to look for. 94 hatch, which is my joy ride for the weekends and auto x , so no daily driving. Appriciate the input. Thanks

 

gc/koni = superior product and warranty. also easier to change spring rates.

 

why is this even a question?

high end teins are great. no knocking them. but youre comparing koni/gc to their bottom lineup?

all those flashy ads in magazines really do pay off....

 

You are saying that SS are bottom lineup or the koni/gc?

 

tein ss are bottom line. farmed out to chinese facilities i heard.

 

Good to know but now...
From reading bout the flexes and the SS the only difference I see are the pillow ball mounts and the stiffer springs on the Flexes. Are the shocks the same? I mean they both are 16 levels.

 

i love my flexs' (plus the price i paid for them) on my ej8 but for the price i'd def go with koni/gc.

 

Performance wise Flex > Koni Yellows?

 

i cant compare because i have never used gc/koni but ive never heard a bad thing about them. my flex's are perfect for me though, not too stiff but stiff enough for those nice wndy roads

 

16 levels of adjustment doesnt mean that it is not stiff like another suspension with a 16 level adjustment. but the type flex is so much better for the track and autocrossing. SS are just for the street mainly because it is very soft. and by the way what car do you have?

 

92 civic hatch

 

Bumpie,

Perfrormance:
Flex or Koni Y & GC ??

or

What technical data should I look at to compare them both on paper!

 

here is some data from the older fellows on miata.net that test everything. go through the the thread, they have links to charts of data,and if necessary, do a search on: shock dyno flex koni.

http://forum.miata.net/vb/show...+flex

i have personally drove on both koni yellows AND tein flex on my miata. for me, i liked the tein flex setup more, but i only tried the koni yellows on stock springs (again, both on a miata, but quality and feel i assume will be similar for other vehicles), which i must say with some tuning can be enough to make the handling characteristics favorable to your style (i.e. slight understeer at the limit, semi neutral handling, etc). anyway, my two cents. granted, the price points are very different, so that must be acknowledged as well.

here is a link to all the graphs, koni yellows, tein flex, and i think even revalved koni yellows and s2000 shocks as well.

http://www.y8spec.com/suspension/shockdyno/

please read the thread above to understand what some of the numbers and graphs mean.

 

I use TEIN SS on my track car and have no complaints at all. I have never used Koni/GC so can't compare by feel, but my car can keep up with the competitive cars in my race class. I am sure a lot of them use Koni's. I should mention that my spring rates are custom (12f/16r), and the shocks re-valved for these spring rates, so mine will not feel like the typical SS package.

Judging from the TEIN product information, I am guessing the valving and shock dyno response from the SS and Flex would be the same (probably using the same internals). Maybe Gedupsound or someone else can answer this for sure if they have any shock dyno responses from the SS.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nicram &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bumpie,

Perfrormance:
Flex or Koni Y & GC ??

or

What technical data should I look at to compare them both on paper!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Koni/GC all the way

1.) open range of springs up to 600lbs on OTS yellows
2.) lifetime warrenty on all the products
3.) digressive valving is 100 time better then the linear valving tein uses.

 

koni will not warranty anything if you admit to racing at all. so keep that in mind. the data i provided shoudl give you a good idea if they are truly more "linear" or not. it seems all adjustable shock systems in this price realm seem to have weirdness somewhere in the middle of stiffness valving, even the konis. not being partial to either, i think a lot of the satisfaction you will get frm either setup is how WELL you setup your car. if you just plan on dumping it to the ground, it matter very little what you get. but if you setup your ride height in conjunction with the geometry of your car properly, that is when the suspension will shine hte most. if you dont have much experience with suspension setups, koni/gc is hard to compete with, you will be pleased with its streetability and such. however, tein flex is just as nice, and offers the ability for shockbody adjustment, big plus to riding on your bump stops.

 

i wanna hear some reviews with people who had both GC/Koni's and Tein FLEX's on there ride, and which one they liked better.

 

i'v got the flex on my eg6, very good ride although firm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gedupsound &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is some data from the older fellows on miata.net that test everything. go through the the thread, they have links to charts of data,and if necessary, do a search on: shock dyno flex koni.

http://forum.miata.net/vb/show...+flex

i have personally drove on both koni yellows AND tein flex on my miata. for me, i liked the tein flex setup more, but i only tried the koni yellows on stock springs (again, both on a miata, but quality and feel i assume will be similar for other vehicles), which i must say with some tuning can be enough to make the handling characteristics favorable to your style (i.e. slight understeer at the limit, semi neutral handling, etc). anyway, my two cents. granted, the price points are very different, so that must be acknowledged as well.

here is a link to all the graphs, koni yellows, tein flex, and i think even revalved koni yellows and s2000 shocks as well.

http://www.y8spec.com/suspension/shockdyno/

please read the thread above to understand what some of the numbers and graphs mean.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Awsome Thread!!! Still reading!

 

the miata folks, generally are older, and have a lot more money to blow. they are by the book for proving their points. they are also a GC/Koni crowd, and are skeptical of new comers to the fray. there are ton of us flex supporters too, and now JIC crowd, so there is a very balanced and well informed suspension base on miata.net. its worth a reading.

 

Got tired and confused after 4 pages of this thread. But very good feedback info, that is what I was looking for! Thanks!

 

ya it can definitely be overload. i ofcourse read blind to no graphs and charts, lol. but it helps point out some things, such as claims of linear shock valving, and such, linear is very definitive, even on a graph. either way, you will have a good suspension setup, be assured of that.

 

JIC will have fans until you have to try to get one fixed, they had fans among serious WRX autoXers until then too..... Also, the damping will not be the same for a Honda Koni and for a Miata Koni so the comparison is a bit irrelevant. Tom Hoppe, who I would consider the most competitive WRX AutoXer in recent history ran Teins in a STX national championship season, but they were custom valved RAs and suprisingly, the curve looked a hell of a lot like the OTS Koni curves I have seen.

Jon

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaF1Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Also, the damping will not be the same for a Honda Koni and for a Miata Koni so the comparison is a bit irrelevant.
Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed, thus it deserved mention in my original post. but you can assume a certain level of consistency with a brand like koni, etc.

 

FYI the valving on a Miata to a civic or integra is completly different.

That same thread got some attention here befor, miata valving doesn't look a whole lot like the honda stuff. And the spring rates for honda are comfort baised. A front stiff setup on FWD is bass ackwards...