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Old May 4, 2002 | 10:09 AM
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Default Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible..

Topic says it all ?

I know my 60' is bad but sheesh, help me out track people w/ experience

R/T 696
60 2.636
330 7.135
1/8 10.702
MPH 68.92
1000 13.760
1/4 16.307
MPH 88.83

My mph was 88 all night, my best run was a 16.0 but I redlighted. I still had a horrible 2.5 60'.

There were si's running 15.4's. I know my car is not that slow. Help ?
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Old May 4, 2002 | 10:11 AM
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your times are bad.. but dont be hard on yourself. it was your first time... youll get used to it. you cant expect your best times on your first few runs. get used to the stage lighting and learn to do good launches.
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Old May 4, 2002 | 10:32 AM
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where was this at? Palmdale?
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Old May 4, 2002 | 10:49 AM
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Fomoso, I wish it was at palmdale
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Old May 4, 2002 | 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

Id say you could get that down to low 15s
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Old May 4, 2002 | 12:16 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (94goldjungsr)

or high 14's
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Old May 4, 2002 | 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (jgrotkier)

Here's my $.02...
Stage (obviously)
Attempt to hold the throttle between 4800-5300rpm...
When the last yellow comes on... dump the clutch (no feathering)
Modulate the throttle if necessary to minimize wheelspin...
You should hook up around 6500-7000rpm (if you're still spinning, try backing off a bit)

It's been my experience that if you spin all the way through 1st, you'll bog in 2nd, and kill your times. From this point, it's easy... all you have to do is shift fast, and don't miss any gears.

Learn your clutch engagement point... and try to push it just past that point to save a couple tenths.

Bear in mind that I'm still learning this as well... but I ran a 15.1 @ 91.88 last tuesday, and my only mod is an AEM CAI... also... my car is a "slower" OBDII car.
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Old May 4, 2002 | 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (jgrotkier)

That trap is very low for a gsr with boltons. You should be trapping around 93 ish. Where are you shifting? When is the last time you did a tuneup/valve adjustment?
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Old May 4, 2002 | 12:29 PM
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Oh yeah, and I shift at 8100rpm...
except for on my 15.1 @ 91.88, I glanced up at the boards... and hit the rev limiter on my 2-3 shift.
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Old May 4, 2002 | 01:33 PM
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I rev up to abut 5000 rpm,I also got Falken tires which really help.
Anyways with mods I got the best time of 14.6

Keep trying
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Old May 4, 2002 | 01:34 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

you should be hooking up pretty early in first given you b18c1 and boltons... just my style (just under vtec switch in 1st n/a), some people can make times w/o catching well into first but its not as consistent imo. start easy and consistent and work from there
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Old May 4, 2002 | 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (MrSmith)

My car just had the short block replaced and valve at 14k. I now have about 16,500. I'm questioning taking it in for the 15k service, actually I prob. will, but do you really think that would make a difference ? My valve have been replaced, and they are loud, very loud. But the dealer tightend them after I brought it back after I broke it in for 1k.

My first run was terrible, but it does have some sense to it...here it is.

r/t 1.138 1.173
60 2.934 GSX I ran against. 2.230
330 7.513 6.393
1/8 11.113 6.393
mph 67.86 9.881
1000 14.179 70.35
1/4 16.738 15.366
mph 88.53 88.63

Now I know the whole "take .1 off your 60 and then to take .2 off the quarter and if you do the math here it works out. But sheesh my mph is sooo low...

The track is so different from the street.


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Old May 4, 2002 | 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

what are you shifting at and launching at?
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Old May 4, 2002 | 07:18 PM
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Don't worry too much about your times when you are still getting stuff down.

I ran about the same times as you my first runs, my next day at the track I knocked almost a whole second off of my times.

My fastest run to date was 15.9 @ 91 and my brother ran a 15.8 @ 90 in my car. I know I can pick up almost another half second off with a better launch.

The thing is I'm learning a ton of stuff every time I drive, and every day is different. I can hang with high 14 second cars on the street, but the track is a whole different ballgame.

It's all about having fun anyway.
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Old May 4, 2002 | 07:25 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (jgrotkier)

I trying tons of stuff. I launched like I did on the street the first time...Feathering at 3500. not smart..2.9 60

The best I did was dumping it at 4500 and I pulled a 2.5 60' at 16.0 but I redlighted. I ordered plugs and wires, well I will monday just cause I need some..hey anything helps.

I'm shifting at 8000 8100 everytime.

I think I'll go in for my 15k service. My car was out for 3months and that was the first time I've launched it for about 4 month and actually ran it.
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Old May 4, 2002 | 11:07 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

launch at around 4500...(higher for an ITR ) keep wheelspin to a minimum and shift as fast as your girlfriend runs away from foreign projectiles.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 12:46 AM
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I was talking to my mechanic and he said since my bottem end was replaced "short block" and all new valve's Acura tuned my car so I won't "BLOW IT UP" according to him.

He is going to look at it, he says its the cam timing?
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Old May 5, 2002 | 01:14 AM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

sounds like they retarded your timing.

you won't see 14s with a MPH less than 90mph, sorry.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 07:25 AM
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hahah.. my first time at the track w/ nitrous i did a 20.xx, so don't feel too bad...

i thought i blew my motor half way down the track.. so i drifted acrost the line... it was a sad day in deed.. but i still have fun....

bets i could muster that day was a 15 flat (full interior, passenger, spare tire and jack, a few tools in the trunk... )
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Old May 5, 2002 | 11:17 AM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (sa21199)

where was this at? Palmdale?
Just out of curiousity, why do you say this? My reason for my question is because Palmdale's times are slow. Just curious.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 11:26 AM
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hahah.. my first time at the track w/ nitrous i did a 20.xx, so don't feel too bad... i thought i blew my motor half way down the track.. so i drifted acrost the line...
LOL!!! Hey I got a friend who actually stalled his RSX-S at the strip! LOL It gets better - he tripped the laser then stalled it so the clock was running too. He ended up getting like a 23 sec 1/4 mile at 92 mph lol So dont feel so bad
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Old May 5, 2002 | 01:29 PM
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actually you will. look at my time in my signature. but that is because i missed 4th and glided across the finish line
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Old May 5, 2002 | 03:44 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

man u need to learn to drive. 2.6 60s is total honda neglect. ur makin us look like fools, hehe, jk. anyways if ur mechanic is goin to look at it and thinks it might b cam timing. what he means by that was that maybe the T belt on the cam gears is a tooth off. the trap speeds r very low too. id suggest not goin to the track until u can drive. either that or drive far far away and claim u have a SOHC car.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 04:03 PM
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Yeah, don't worry. It's your first time at the track.

Do this though....you never want to really dump the clutch (drop the clutch). Especially at near 4K-5K rpm, you'll just spin. You don't want to have much spin at all. If you need to back off the throttle to control your spinning, you didn't launch well enough.

What you want to do, is launch high (right under your peak torque rpm). That might be high, but that is the correct way to do it. Did you ever go to a track event and see/hear those big muscle cars stage up? When the lights turn yellow, you are deafened by their revving up to near their peak torque.

When you launch, you want to slip the clutch fast. Don't drop it whatever you do. This is the hardest part. If you mess up, you will bog, spin, or even stall. But when you get it right, you'll see how much your 60ft times are improved. You can get 2.0's or under with that.

Practice a lot in parking lots. I believe your peak torque is something like 5800 or something? Let's just say it's that. Rev up to 5300 or so and when you go, slip the clutch out. You should get just the slightest chirp. Your rpms will dip down for a sec when the clutch full catches, then off you go.

Good luck...practice is key.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 05:49 PM
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Default Re: Went to the track, first time...horrible...horrible.. (GSRdriver)

something is not right with your car because youre not even close to where you should be, i just went to the track for the first time and the first run i totally messed up, it spun straight to 8k shifted and landed 2cnc gear at 3k and rode out and still got a 15.9, so even if your launches are bad you should be able to get mid 15's, personally i had to launch at around 2500-3500 otherwise it would just spin, but also my tires are pretty ****. I'd definatedly get the timing checked out though. HTH
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