Close friend went down.
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Close friend went down.
It was his first bike. Had it for about a month. Super clean, adult owned for the 14 years of its life. It was a 92 FZR 600 with a few mods.
It was a chilly day and he went to slow down for a left turn and got on the rear brake to hard. Rear swung out, came back, and he went down and slid through grass and narrowly missing a tree (>1 Foot).
He is fine, a few cuts on his knee. The bike is not that bad either. Needs all fairings from the seat up. New windshield and frame and brake lever. It runs fine and drives straight. I rode it about a mile back to a friends house to store it for the night. He doesn't know if he's going to keep it and fix or sell.
Only good decent pic I have with my R6.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/89333848@N00/267795754/
Aftermath. Speed was between 20-30mph.
Modified by 97tegGS at 11:47 AM 10/12/2006
It was a chilly day and he went to slow down for a left turn and got on the rear brake to hard. Rear swung out, came back, and he went down and slid through grass and narrowly missing a tree (>1 Foot).
He is fine, a few cuts on his knee. The bike is not that bad either. Needs all fairings from the seat up. New windshield and frame and brake lever. It runs fine and drives straight. I rode it about a mile back to a friends house to store it for the night. He doesn't know if he's going to keep it and fix or sell.
Only good decent pic I have with my R6.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/89333848@N00/267795754/
Aftermath. Speed was between 20-30mph.
Modified by 97tegGS at 11:47 AM 10/12/2006
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Glad he's ok. Bike doesn't look too bad. Tell him to fix that ish and get back to riding! 
This story raises a question for all the more experienced riders out there. When you lock up the rear tire under braking, is it better to just keep it locked and ride it to a stop (as taught by MSF). Or is there a better way to avoid going down? Any thoughts?
This story raises a question for all the more experienced riders out there. When you lock up the rear tire under braking, is it better to just keep it locked and ride it to a stop (as taught by MSF). Or is there a better way to avoid going down? Any thoughts?
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Re: (Eva01)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eva01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Glad he's ok. Bike doesn't look too bad. Tell him to fix that ish and get back to riding!
This story raises a question for all the more experienced riders out there. When you lock up the rear tire under braking, is it better to just keep it locked and ride it to a stop (as taught by MSF). Or is there a better way to avoid going down? Any thoughts?</TD></TR></TABLE>
best way is not to lean in with your rear brake applied unless you are backing it in which should only be done at hte track, and even then your rear tire is not locked up.
do not use your rear tire unless you are fully upright and coming to a stop. front brake is more than enough to brake before or even during a turn (trail braking which is not for noobs)
get your foot off the rear brake OR adjust it so even when fully pressed it will not lock up.
This story raises a question for all the more experienced riders out there. When you lock up the rear tire under braking, is it better to just keep it locked and ride it to a stop (as taught by MSF). Or is there a better way to avoid going down? Any thoughts?</TD></TR></TABLE>
best way is not to lean in with your rear brake applied unless you are backing it in which should only be done at hte track, and even then your rear tire is not locked up.
do not use your rear tire unless you are fully upright and coming to a stop. front brake is more than enough to brake before or even during a turn (trail braking which is not for noobs)
get your foot off the rear brake OR adjust it so even when fully pressed it will not lock up.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .paul »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do not use your rear tire unless you are fully upright and coming to a stop. front brake is more than enough to brake before or even during a turn (trail braking which is not for noobs)
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While I wouldnt recommend it to someone that just bought a bike, there is alot of value in learning how to adjust your speed going into a corner, or mid-corner with the rear brake. Lots of people (mostly on t3h intArw3b) give the "advice" of "never use the rear brake", and thats really a load of poop.
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While I wouldnt recommend it to someone that just bought a bike, there is alot of value in learning how to adjust your speed going into a corner, or mid-corner with the rear brake. Lots of people (mostly on t3h intArw3b) give the "advice" of "never use the rear brake", and thats really a load of poop.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eva01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Glad he's ok. Bike doesn't look too bad. Tell him to fix that ish and get back to riding!
This story raises a question for all the more experienced riders out there. When you lock up the rear tire under braking, is it better to just keep it locked and ride it to a stop (as taught by MSF). Or is there a better way to avoid going down? Any thoughts?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hooray rear brake debate
Dont use them they are nasty evil things that satan desinged to take the souls of your fairings to hell.
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There is so little point in using them to stop quickly and the MSF is what it is a starting point in riding. If you are leant over the rear brake is going to either sit the bike up or drop it. Years ago we were taught to use the rear brake for ultra low speed cone work and yes its ery stable and it does work. I will however take anyones money in a direct contest to stop from 60 using only the front compared to front and rear.
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Some riders use it some dont. As for 'backing' in 99% of the population aren't going to get this to be reliable (myself included) and unless you are riding something obscene like a MotoGP bike it isn't the fastest way around a circuit. TBH the pegs are so much better to stabilize and turn the bike that the rear brake was redundant and got changed aluminium to save weight.
off you go then......
This story raises a question for all the more experienced riders out there. When you lock up the rear tire under braking, is it better to just keep it locked and ride it to a stop (as taught by MSF). Or is there a better way to avoid going down? Any thoughts?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hooray rear brake debate
Dont use them they are nasty evil things that satan desinged to take the souls of your fairings to hell.
<U>Road</U>
There is so little point in using them to stop quickly and the MSF is what it is a starting point in riding. If you are leant over the rear brake is going to either sit the bike up or drop it. Years ago we were taught to use the rear brake for ultra low speed cone work and yes its ery stable and it does work. I will however take anyones money in a direct contest to stop from 60 using only the front compared to front and rear.
<U>Track </U>
Some riders use it some dont. As for 'backing' in 99% of the population aren't going to get this to be reliable (myself included) and unless you are riding something obscene like a MotoGP bike it isn't the fastest way around a circuit. TBH the pegs are so much better to stabilize and turn the bike that the rear brake was redundant and got changed aluminium to save weight.
off you go then......
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luke »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><U>Road</U>
There is so little point in using them to stop quickly and the MSF is what it is a starting point in riding. If you are leant over the rear brake is going to either sit the bike up or drop it. Years ago we were taught to use the rear brake for ultra low speed cone work and yes its ery stable and it does work. I will however take anyones money in a direct contest to stop from 60 using only the front compared to front and rear. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well in a straight up 60-0 stopping test, using the rear brake will either cause you to lock it up, and lengthen stopping distance, or have no benefit at all really. Thats not the point of using it though, IMHO.
Use it... yes. But most people are told to stay away because it is very easy to abuse it and put your bike on the ground.
There is so little point in using them to stop quickly and the MSF is what it is a starting point in riding. If you are leant over the rear brake is going to either sit the bike up or drop it. Years ago we were taught to use the rear brake for ultra low speed cone work and yes its ery stable and it does work. I will however take anyones money in a direct contest to stop from 60 using only the front compared to front and rear. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well in a straight up 60-0 stopping test, using the rear brake will either cause you to lock it up, and lengthen stopping distance, or have no benefit at all really. Thats not the point of using it though, IMHO.
Use it... yes. But most people are told to stay away because it is very easy to abuse it and put your bike on the ground.
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That's kinda like all the good things in life... alcohol, drugs, sex...
That's kinda like all the good things in life... alcohol, drugs, sex...
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Thats not the point of using it though, IMHO.
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I'm telling you that underneath every brake peddle you will find 666 stamped into the casting. Rear brakes are like bobble hats on a lobster.
Thats not the point of using it though, IMHO.
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I'm telling you that underneath every brake peddle you will find 666 stamped into the casting. Rear brakes are like bobble hats on a lobster.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luke »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rear brakes are like bobble hats on a lobster.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have no idea what that means but it's freakin' hilarious.
I have no idea what that means but it's freakin' hilarious.
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Re: Close friend went down. (Jasper_db1)
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For real, it was a beauty less the grips and windscreen.
Glad he is okay though
For real, it was a beauty less the grips and windscreen.
Glad he is okay though
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ooooookay, lets get back on topic here.
I use the rear brake on ocassion as well and as stated before do not use it unless you are upright. Even then when you lock it up it is pretty scary cause the bike will acually slide, I've learned to control that when ever it's happened to me but it's still not a pretty feeling. Be safe when using your rear brake, dont use it into turns.
</TD></TR></TABLE>ooooookay, lets get back on topic here.
I use the rear brake on ocassion as well and as stated before do not use it unless you are upright. Even then when you lock it up it is pretty scary cause the bike will acually slide, I've learned to control that when ever it's happened to me but it's still not a pretty feeling. Be safe when using your rear brake, dont use it into turns.
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