i was ready to order some kyokugen lug nuts in black...then i read the small print which says "keys are universal." i was like "WTF?" does anyone have these lugs? what do you to prevent theft of your rims? use kyokugen and change out one lug to a lock style lug???

 

i dont think so...that would be absolutely pointless

 

They are 7-sided lugs (as opposed to the conventional 6 sides). Therefore, they can be used as a "locking" lugs. i believe what they meant by universal was that if you have a key for a set of kyokugen's, you can go and take off another set Kyokugen's (unlike locks such as McGard's which have several keys).

 

Yeah, can somebody please verify that there isn't one universal key for all Kyokugen lugs..

 

i believe one key fits all =T

 

dont get them... i had them for a while... the key is very easy to stripp... i was lucky to get them off!!! worst investment for my car... think physics: the more side u have, the less of an angle u have to put resistance on...

 

I hear theyre only easy to strip if you use the key with airtools, or overtighten them.

And yes, my Kyokugen key will unlock your wheels...get it?

 

You obviously failed physics...the number of sides has nothing to do w/ the quality of the key. The problem lies in the tolerance of the key to lugnut which is too large. And that is inevitable considering the key is made from cast metal and not machined (which BTW would make the key TOO expensive to manufacture).

 

Got it. That's bad. What are some affordable locking lugnuts out there?

 

Mcgard and Gorilla make some as well...but thats not a big deal about the key IMO. Wheel locks aren't impossible to get off (or even that difficult) either, you know.

 

nonono... if u have more sides, the the key has less to "hold" onto... u know what i mean? To exaggerate, its like using a hex key to undo a circular object... no sides...

 

haha tell that to fooser who hasn't been able to get his wheel locks off since a shop broke his McGard key... i think he said he broke a few screwdrivers AND bent a gator grip.. in addition to going to a few shops which said they cant get the McGards off... I think McGard is sending him a new key last I heard... anyway yeah the keys break easily when using an impact wrench to tighten them on like crazy.. I havent had any problems w/ shops using an impact wrench to loosen.. and using hand and torque wrench to tighten.. I tell them in advance Im not going to pay if they use an impact wrench to tighten and I watch them (outside the work area) so they really cant say anything since Im the customer and Im right there...

 

get whatever you want... if a thief wants your wheels he'll use a gator grip and a breaker bar.

 

LOLLLLL!!!!!! universal wheel locks...

 

im happy with my mugen lugs.

 

And how much were your Mugen wheel locks?

 

gator grip? i BROKE my gator grip trying to get them off!

 

Like someone said, they are 7-sided, and universal among all Kyokugen keys. So a potential wheel theif would go up to the Import shop, buy the key for $20, and now have full access to any kyokugen equipped car.

I had them on my $1800 regamasters and was lucky to not have them stolen...
I researched it prior to buying them, and found that for about $50, you can buy a "wheel lock remover" kit incase you "lost your wheel lock key"...It was supposed to work for any kind of lock, so I figured that if the theives had the kyokugen key, they probably had that one too..

I bought the kyokugens because they were the only lug I could find in silver to match my wheels...
Never had a problem tightening them or loosening them (never overtorqued them, and used the lug wrench in the fully seated position).

 

$80/set

 

Agreed...a Kyokugen lug will stop the theives as much as a wheel lock will. If they're "in the know" enough to go buy the key, Im sure they know how to get a damn wheel lock off.

If you're that worried, just use one of your current Mcgard or whatever wheel lock in conjunction with the Kyokugens. I dont even think of them as a deterrent, but I guess they are.

 

1 Key fits all.