out of a GSR? and what kinda times could i expect with good clutch and slicks?

 

a 200 shot of NOS

 

without spraying? turbo or supercharged.. eaither is good..

 

the safest method would be boost, just as your title says... boost with some internals if you want to run 300 whp for more than a few seconds... NOS would be an altnerative I would highly discourage unless you were built for it... errrrr, your engine was built for it.

-erik

 

stock motor wont handle 300 whp?

 

it will for a little while, not for that long, but realistically speaking... you aren't trying to squeeze 300 whp from your stock b18c1 are you?

 

not yet, just lookin at options...

 

save your self a headache and some money, just buy a new car

a dsm is cheap as very easy to get fast. camaro or mustang (if you cant beat em' join em)
or if u want honda, get a nsx.

if you get to the point of 300whp, you will have to basically build up a whole new engine. i doubt the tranny/axles will hold up for long either.

think about, you are doubling the normal output of the engine

 

you could hit mid to low 200 whp range with stock internals safely on about 8 psi or less of boost. anything higher you need to start building.

 

DSM doesnt = cheap performance.. trust me, i've owned em before..

 

tranny will hold it. axles will hold it. 300 whp isn't that much on the drivetrain... not as much as people assume. i've seen stock drivetrains take a lot more than that... mine for instance, but we won't go there. BOOST IT!

 

are you nuts ? with turbo and standalone you can easily achieve 300WHP and cost a lot less than DSM or LS1... and that's on stock block..Jinxproof did 350 WHP on stock motor and VAFC and headgasket..and ran 12.6 on street tires, 11.30 on slick
Direp972 setup is 230WHP and he's beating LS1 all day long and ran 13.3 with drag radial...Arturbo setup is 277whp and he beat an LS1 with full Bolt ons and mild cam (350WHP)

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF HONDA and we have a huge advantage with the weight..and it's all about the tuning...

stan

 

BTW, FI is a better forum to get good answers on this matter.....

 

fully built bottom end,engine management,and drag3 boosting pretty high =300whp. see forced induction forum like flamenco said.

 

it can be done with around 10-11 psi, assuming you;re still on stock map sensor
you can do this with stock motor, block and head at 11 psi with standalone

with fully built bottom end and stand alone, expect 350-400 whp at around 20-24 psi of boost

 

i might be, but the honda engine is not designed for 15+ psi of boost. yes you can slap a turbo/supercharger on there and it will last for some fun. but you will not make it past 20,000 miles running + 12-17 lbs of boost. no way.
you can run lots of boost on a built block & bottom end. no problem

im not talking about short term. like some other guy mentioned about a 200 shot of nitrous. yes it will get you there. and yes it will eat your engine. your valves will have to be replaced in an easy 10,000 miles if you are hitting off the bottle alot.

also, dont forget to upgrade brakes 1200-2500 for a good setup
upgrade axles 500
clutch 500
suspension 1000
tires every 5k miles 500

just buy a supra or rx7 if you want fast.

to answer the guys origanal question
1. build up your engine. resleeved, built bottom end, stronger crank, balanced if possible
2. get a big *** turbo (have fun with the lag on your tiny 1.8l
3. just remember your visa platnium card #, it will save you the time of having to take your wallet everytime your cars breaks

 

I have witnessed and talk to a 9 sec hatch with a B18C1 engine

I am not gonna reveals his details and set up, but let me put it this way again, DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF HONDA..PERIOD..IT'LL BLOW YOURMIND ON HOW MUCH HONDA PARTS CAN AND WILL TAKE. I have a few peoples here that knows and seen what I saw and they can back it up as well..

Honda block with a perfect tuning for fuel, can stand up to 24psi of boost...on stock sleeves, Block and cranks can held up that much boost..

Piston, rings and rods is your weak links on your bottom end...

I also have seen stock head that can be pushed to well over 300-350 whp, stock head, cams, all valve train

wanna bet ?

I agree on the massive boost on built bottom end...and the NOS...

I agree, everyone and their grandmother wanted a supra, so am I and my grandmother, but honestlly, ask those guys who once has a turbo teg, Immortal, degradated...they all have nothing but the good thing to say about a turbo B series...

what's a LAG ? people always say oh turbo will have a lag and this and that.....I don;t ever complain about lags...never....those who says that I think just never owns a turbo B series...just like corky bell said, if you have NO lag, you have no Torque, and without Torque, you'll lose...(not quoted exactly, but we get the point)

OOH one last comment, on turbocharged, supercharged and etc...ECU is your WEAKEST LINK...not your engine...get standalone..

THANKS


stan




[Modified by Flamenco-t, 3:02 AM 5/3/2002]

 

BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

300whp sheeesh, lets discuss something that hasnt been done already 100 times.. how about "how do I get my integra to 500whp" that might be more fun..

All u need for 300whp is:

basic T3/T04e turbo kit
fuel management- hondata, even AFC will work for 300whp
about 10-12psi
a good 3" exhaust system
clutch, gauges, and a boost controller

stock motor, stock axles, stock drivetrain can all handle it 300whp as long as u dont abuse it.. slicks at the track is about the only time u break axles, and 90% of the time its not because of hp, but because of wheel hop.. building the bottem end is nice and all but not everyone can afford it right away.. If u can make 300 go for it, build it when it blows!

 

ok your an idiot.. you just used cheap, fast, and NSX in the same paragraph..

DSM's are not as cheap as u would like to think, if u think u will brake stuff on a honda goin fast.. get a DSM (insert sarcasm)

why would the tranny break at 300whp? u know the 9sec civic hatches u see on ESPN? they are running stock trannys.. axles? axles break at the track and with slicks, u can break a stock axle with stock hp if u have enough wheel hop. so what is going to break an axle if u dont run at the track?

doubling the normal output of the engine is not a big deal, Pretty much every motor can double its stock hp safely(SC or turbo LS1, single turbo supra, all mustangs, DSM's-they all can do it too)


[Modified by DIRep972, 9:43 AM 5/3/2002]

 

ok. *slap*

brakes- anyone who pays 1200-1500 for honda brakes needs a good *** whooping.. A nice set of porterfield street pads, brembo blank rotors, and motul 600 should get the stopping job done nicely..

axles- like I said above, stock axles are fine until u start making frequent trips to the drag strip on slicks.

clutch- I paid 300 for mine, ACT HD/SS, i love it.. clutch is definitly a neccessity

suspension- I wasnt aware suspension gave u hp, damn im glad I bought those neuspeed coilovers, they gave me 10 more hp stock suspension is fine unless u r very serious about drag racing.

tires- 5k miles? 500$ where and what kinda tires are u buying so I can make sure I dont buy any of them.. your rear tires should last the same length of time turbo or not.. Front tires are more important, if u want traction youll likely want some drag radials, for 200$ nitto 555R's get the job done nicely and last about 10k miles.. ur rear tires should outlast your front X 3

"Just buy a supra or RX7 if u want fast"- if everyone could afford supras and RX7's I think we would all like to have them.. If u think alot of stuff will break with a 300whp honda, then buy an RX7 (insert sarcasm again)..

stronger crank? wtf are u talking about? stock honda cranks are already forged, u might be surprised to find out that all 500whp hondas are still running stock cranks.

big *** turbo? have fun with lag? obviously u have never riden in a turbo honda.. my friends TT RX7 has more lag then my integra, its called 2nd turbo Lag, and it exists.. when we race I ALWAYS get the jump on him, his car basically has intake, downpipe and exhaust.. who do u think wins between us too?

corky bell- "If you have no lag, you have no turbo. You also have no huge torque increase to look forward to." this is SOOOOOOOO very true, I just wish more people would understand this concept.

"everytime your car breaks"- damn dude, u r starting to get on my nerves with your ignorant comments.. please leave the turbo discussions to people who have actually *been there done that* type of thing.. Ive got friends who have had turbo hondas for 1-2-3 years boosting on stock motors, I even have a friend who is still boosting on the first Drag3 kit ever released(3 yrs).. still on stock motor, stock axles, stock tranny, went 13.2 @ 108, btw he also has a Formula, guess which car is faster! now me, I have had a turbo honda now for 7 months, 11k miles w/ turbo and 86k total, 7 trips to the 1/4, countless trips to the 1/8, two 100mph into 2nd gear downshifts, two kill stories per week, and daily street racing along with highway racing many times topping my car out in 5th at 144mph.. u know what all has broken on my car? hehehe NOTHING now that I have said that, i probably jinxed it but **** it.. Turbo Hondas are as reliable as the installation, and that is a fact.


[Modified by DIRep972, 10:17 AM 5/3/2002]

 

if u can drive, and it a 1.8 60' ft.. and w/ 300whp in an integra u should hit 12.0-12.3 @ 113-116mph assuming u live near sea level and have access to a good track..

 

ForceFedGSR on HAN runs 12psi daily driven for over 2 years and 24K miles. All he did was get a thick head gasket to lower the CR, nothing else no internals, but as he said (and everyone else), fuel tuning is the KEY! Get a Hondata 2b ECU, and a Drag 3 kit with injectors and for about 5K you can have 300whp on stock block and internals. I wish he was on this board to shoot people down that say you can't run 12psi on stock parts. He knows his stuff...

-Andrew

 

300 whp with just a thick head gasket? pretty much the only person i know of to get pretty high *** numbers on stock block is jinxproof. of course tuning is the key, but not many people can tune a car that precisely to keep it from blowing **** apart left and right....yea maybe FORCEFEDGSR can run 12 lbs on his stock block but most people cant. not really feasible to say you can get 300 whp on a stock gsr block w/ hondata 2b and drag 3. margin of error becomes almost void when boosting that high on stock internals.

 

r u kidding...

 

oh to the creator of the thread- WhoNeedsBoost ???? you do!