built gsr
-balanced block
-ctr or itr pistons
-eagle rods
-arp head studs
-arp rod bolts
-skunk2 stage 2 cams
-dual valve springs
-new valves
-skunk2 intake manifold
-chipped ecu
-i/h/e

or

poormans type-r
-balanced block
-ctr pistons
-eagle rods
-arp head studs
-arp rod bolts
-b16a head
-ctr intake cam/itr exhaust cam
-hondata s100 or hondata s200
-i/h/e


which would pull harder up to 9000rpm.
what are the pros/cons?

 

I have read that it is not in your best interest to try to push the stock LS redline in an LS/vtec. In reference to your question pertaining to which setup will pull harder (and safer) to 9000rpms I would have to say the GSR, if you match all of the head components up together correctly (i.e. proper cams with the correct valvetrain to complement them).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omiehomie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have read that it is not in your best interest to try to push the stock LS redline in an LS/vtec. In reference to your question pertaining to which setup will pull harder (and safer) to 9000rpms I would have to say the GSR, if you match all of the head components up together correctly (i.e. proper cams with the correct valvetrain to complement them).</TD></TR></TABLE>


im not using a LS block. im using a gsr block.

 

I have been trying to decide on a similar seneiro.
I would like to put an ITR block under my b16 head with some nice cams and valvetrain.... but everyone else keeps talking me into turboing the b16.
I am undecided but I am voting for poorman itr for you.

 

You would need something greater than 93 octane to run those ctr pistons in the gsr. I would go with the itr pistons with a thin headgasket, milled head, and flat faced valves to get about 11.5 :1 compression.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omiehomie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have read that it is not in your best interest to try to push the stock LS redline in an LS/vtec. In reference to your question pertaining to which setup will pull harder (and safer) to 9000rpms I would have to say the GSR, if you match all of the head components up together correctly (i.e. proper cams with the correct valvetrain to complement them).</TD></TR></TABLE>

We run our Turbo LS/VTEC race motors to 10,500 all the time. Shouldnt be an issue.

Also, I dont see the point in putting EAgle rods with OEM cast pistons. If you're using OEM cast pistons, I'm assuming you arent really going for big power and not really planning to go racing. I'd just stick with stock rods with better Rod bolts(ARP). Stock rods are good enough for a street car build. Also, Eagle rods are made for floating wrist pins.

I know this isnt an exact comparison, but its similar to what you are doing. We did an LS/VTEC CTR pistons, oem ls rods, Buddy Club 4 cams, Exospeed ported head, Supertech Valvetrain, Generic 4-1 header, Hondata S200, and skunk2 IM for GSR head. This setup made 237 on Church Auto Testing's Dynapack.

Good numbers in my opinion for a 1.8L

 

id go with the poormans type r no doubt..
cuz this is how i look at it..a normal poormans type r pulls on stock gsr
and everything you may do to built your gsr..you can do to the poormans type r with even more potential..juss my opinion..

 

I dont think there's really much of a comparison onthe 2 setups mentioned above. The main thing is the camshafts. Everything else is similar.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WASABI_DB8_INTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id go with the poormans type r no doubt..
cuz this is how i look at it..a normal poormans type r pulls on stock gsr
and everything you may do to built your gsr..you can do to the poormans type r with even more potential..juss my opinion..</TD></TR></TABLE>

obviously the type r setup will be more than a stock GSR. I dont understand your comparison on what you may do to build the GSR vs you can do more to a Type R?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RIP Indian Larry &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You would need something greater than 93 octane to run those ctr pistons in the gsr. .</TD></TR></TABLE>

no you dont, i ran 82 mm CTR's with a p72 block and head and had no detonation or clearence issues at all with 91 octane tuned with s200.

just so you know too you cant run aftermarket rods with OE pistons, the pistons dont have ring locks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WASABI_DB8_INTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id go with the poormans type r no doubt..
cuz this is how i look at it..a normal poormans type r pulls on stock gsr
and everything you may do to built your gsr..you can do to the poormans type r with even more potential..juss my opinion..</TD></TR></TABLE>

what are you talking about? what do you consider a Normal poor mans R? becuase if you just mean putting a head on a GSR your wrong. by putting a b16 head on a gsr block you are actually dropping the compression down into the 9's. Plus a GSR head outflows a b16 anyway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohcMONSTER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

just so you know too you cant run aftermarket rods with OE pistons, the pistons dont have ring locks </TD></TR></TABLE>

you can, but the machining to convert the oem piston to take floating pins, plus the pins, you might as well have gotten forged pistons.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

you can, but the machining to convert the oem piston to take floating pins, plus the pins, you might as well have gotten forged pistons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha true

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WASABI_DB8_INTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id go with the poormans type r no doubt..
cuz this is how i look at it..a normal poormans type r pulls on stock gsr
and everything you may do to built your gsr..you can do to the poormans type r with even more potential..juss my opinion..</TD></TR></TABLE>
BS.... a normal poor man type R??? no such thing.. if u meant just a stock b16 head on a GSr block... that thing is real slow.. it feels just like a b16.. wont even compare to a stock GSR. now if u stuff some higher comp pistons in the GSR motor itll be just as nice as the poor man ITR with pistons

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2rtek &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">built gsr
-balanced block
-ctr or itr pistons
-eagle rods
-arp head studs
-arp rod bolts
-skunk2 stage 2 cams
-dual valve springs
-new valves
-skunk2 intake manifold
-chipped ecu
-i/h/e

or

poormans type-r
-balanced block
-ctr pistons
-eagle rods
-arp head studs
-arp rod bolts
-b16a head
-ctr intake cam/itr exhaust cam
-hondata s100 or hondata s200
-i/h/e


which would pull harder up to 9000rpm.
what are the pros/cons?</TD></TR></TABLE>

What is a balanced block?

 

one that can stand on one foot really good

 

hands down, built gsr...the lifespan is incredible and depending on how the motor is treated by the owner. Its a gsr a motor that was factory assembled. Ive never seen or heard a b18c or 1 with a b16 head ever made. That setup was probably done by another honda enthusiast years ago looking for another unique way of building a high reving powerful motor. with a poorman's type-r I would think it is a trial and error build. On the other hand the gsr is a proven motor which has been mass produced through out the world, being able to upgrade further on it, will just make the motor more efficient and stronger.

 

Go with the gsr.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dogginator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is a balanced block?</TD></TR></TABLE>


my block is going to be balanced...

 

I believe he's trying to say: the whole rotating assembly will be balanced.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2rtek &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


my block is going to be balanced...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Blue-printed?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe he's trying to say: the whole rotating assembly will be balanced.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Perhaps.

 

yes blue printed block

 

ill go with the built gsr