I was a bit disappointed to read in two different magazines, car and driver and sport compact car, that the ap2 scored a .88g on the skid pad, the same as a Nissan Sentra spec v and 240 sx, so apparently that isnt too good. I read it was due to softer rear suspension causing some understeer which I have not encountered on this car. I still think the S2000 is a fantastic car and I know in my heart it handles terrific and better than those cars. My brother owns a 240sx and I almost bought a Sentra SER so ive driven similar to compare. Any explanations other than they allowed mongoloids to test the ap2 on the skid pad?

 

I have told people for years that the s2k doesnt handle for ****. The susp is too soft, the car is not wide and the tire size of the ap1 are the size of a damn Prius. Why in the hell would you put such a small tire on a car that is "made" for a road race???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkturbos2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have told people for years that the s2k doesnt handle for ****. The susp is too soft, the car is not wide and the tire size of the ap1 are the size of a damn Prius. Why in the hell would you put such a small tire on a car that is "made" for a road race???</TD></TR></TABLE>



this guy is talking about an ap2... not an ap1.... even so... an ap1 is around a .92-.95g on the skidpad (which isn't that much of a difference but still a difference for the better)..... ap2's also have wider tires, so put the ap2's wider tires on an ap1, and you'll get even better numbers then the average .92-.95g on the skidpad with the ap1....


again.. ap1 &gt; ap2.. ROFL

 

Almost the same tire size as a Prius? Are you referring to the rim size (15" Prius vs 16" AP1) or the width of the tire that actually comes into contact with the road? The AP1 is only an inch larger rim, but a significantly wider contact patch.

The only thing that larger rims are good for is holding big brakes and bling.

AP1 &gt; AP2

 

from everything that i have read..... the reason is because the re050's are not as good (sticky) a tire as the so2's.......

 

i think we came a conclusing that once again ap1&gt;ap2 /thread


j/k...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkturbos2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have told people for years that the s2k doesnt handle for ****. The susp is too soft, the car is not wide and the tire size of the ap1 are the size of a damn Prius. Why in the hell would you put such a small tire on a car that is "made" for a road race???</TD></TR></TABLE>

All boils down to weight. A sub-3000lbs car should not need wide tires for corner speed. Stickier tires help a lot, as well as a competent driver.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S2K.Chris &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was a bit disappointed to read in two different magazines, car and driver and sport compact car, that the ap2 scored a .88g on the skid pad, the same as a Nissan Sentra spec v and 240 sx, so apparently that isnt too good. I read it was due to softer rear suspension causing some understeer which I have not encountered on this car. I still think the S2000 is a fantastic car and I know in my heart it handles terrific and better than those cars. My brother owns a 240sx and I almost bought a Sentra SER so ive driven similar to compare. Any explanations other than they allowed mongoloids to test the ap2 on the skid pad? </TD></TR></TABLE>

The s2000 is a driver's car while the sentra is a grocery getting sedan. I personally favor the stock suspension of the older s2000's but the new ones fix a few of the quirks of the old that just required getting used to

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Speed Monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
AP1 &gt; AP2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

now is this only because of the softer suspension on the AP2?

Throwing same set of coilovers on AP1 and AP2 (everything else stock), how would the 2 compare performance wise

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Speed Monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Almost the same tire size as a Prius? Are you referring to the rim size (15" Prius vs 16" AP1) or the width of the tire that actually comes into contact with the road? The AP1 is only an inch larger rim, but a significantly wider contact patch.

The only thing that larger rims are good for is holding big brakes and bling.

AP1 &gt; AP2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, the front tires are a 205 on the ap1 and a 195 on a prius. Not much diff. But my point is, our 05 RL has a better skid pad the the s2k

 

i have also owned a 300zx TT and I belive that it would kill the s2k in a road race, not a auto-X. I belive the s2k was made for quick tight moves not long high speed ones.

 

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now is this only because of the softer suspension on the AP2?

Throwing same set of coilovers on AP1 and AP2 (everything else stock), how would the 2 compare performance wise</TD></TR></TABLE>

There was a debate about this, turns out most records are held by ap1's,

the ap1 is equally if not better if properly driven, you just have to learn how to drive it. for amatures they will get better lap times in a ap2, IMO


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Yes, the front tires are a 205 on the ap1 and a 195 on a prius. Not much diff. But my point is, our 05 RL has a better skid pad the the s2k</TD></TR></TABLE>


cause a 195-60-15 all season tire and a 205-55-16 high performance tires are exactly the same,

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkturbos2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, the front tires are a 205 on the ap1 and a 195 on a prius. Not much diff. But my point is, our 05 RL has a better skid pad the the s2k</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkturbos2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have also owned a 300zx TT and I belive that it would kill the s2k in a road race, not a auto-X. I belive the s2k was made for quick tight moves not long high speed ones. </TD></TR></TABLE>

my god, at least have some numbers to back up all your claims... all you seem to do is bash the S on it's roadcourse/handling ability becuase you're one of the few people that decided to make it a drag car....so i guess you need some reason to back up your claim as to why you decided to go the drag racing route instead of another route... (seriously it gets old when all you do is bash on the S for this or that, and it seems to be what all your posts consist of)

but here's some numbers for you....

RL 0.87g
300zx 0.88g
prius 0.73g
ap1 0.92g
ap2 0.89g

now correct my math.. cause it might be wrong in your eyes.... but to me....
89 or 92 is actually a greater number then 73, 87, or 88

 

I think that the softer rear suspension and certainly the RE050s contribute to the lower #s. I agree that not everyone can drive these cars the way they are supposed to be driven.

I guess I missed out on the ap1 vs ap2 threads. Id like to bring some up from the dead if possible and join in lol.

 

i dont have the video handy but Best Motoring did a test race with

Ap1 - stock
Ap2 - F20 (japan)- ap2 suspension
modded ap2/1 dont remember with 4.3 gears and i/h/e

anywho.. the ap2 killed the stock ap1. same engine different suspension

/thread

 

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my god, at least have some numbers to back up all your claims... all you seem to do is bash the S on it's roadcourse/handling ability becuase you're one of the few people that decided to make it a drag car....so i guess you need some reason to back up your claim as to why you decided to go the drag racing route instead of another route... (seriously it gets old when all you do is bash on the S for this or that, and it seems to be what all your posts consist of)

but here's some numbers for you....

RL 0.87g
300zx 0.88g
prius 0.73g
ap1 0.92g
ap2 0.89g

now correct my math.. cause it might be wrong in your eyes.... but to me....
89 or 92 is actually a greater number then 73, 87, or 88

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Good job, you still race on the internet. Keep reading your mags. This is what I found

Price as tested $32,477
Engine type 2.0-liter dohc 16V inline-4
Horsepower 240 bhp @ 8300 rpm
Torque 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Tires Bridgestone Potenza S-02; 205/55R-16 89W f, 225/50R-16 92W r
0–60 mph 4.9 sec
Braking 60–0 134 ft
Lap time 2 minutes, 17.66 sec
Slalom 65.9 mph
Skidpad 0.90g


This is for the 04

Lateral Grip (200-ft. skidpad): 0.89g
Slalom Speed (700-ft. slalom): 71.0 mph

and the rl

Our 0.87-g skidpad performance reveals a system working miracles to keep 4030 front-heavy pounds

not too bad, .87 to .89 not a big diff

 

Its a damn skidpad. How often do you guys drive in circles repeatedly?

 

blkturbos2k and papa5murf , let your fists do the talking .. rofl

both of you lives in Va so meet up and see whos the boss ROFL

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stealthx32 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its a damn skidpad. How often do you guys drive in circles repeatedly? </TD></TR></TABLE>

bingo and the skidpad shows nothing with weight transfer characteristics, braking, etc.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkturbos2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

and the rl

Our 0.87-g skidpad performance reveals a system working miracles to keep 4030 front-heavy pounds

not too bad, .87 to .89 not a big diff
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkturbos2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have also owned a 300zx TT and I belive that it would kill the s2k in a road race, not a auto-X. I belive the s2k was made for quick tight moves not long high speed ones. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sorry but it's pretty ignorant to compare the RL family sedan to the s2000 from skidpad numbers. There is no point in comparing those two cars by skid pad and saying the s2000 is lacking.

Second, a best motoring style race between the 300zx TT and s2000 on a road course would greatly depend on the type of course/average speeds/etc. I still think in the hands of a competent driver, the s2000 would outshine the 300zxTT (both in stock trims) due to the difference in weight (s2000 is lighter) and improved braking efficiency from the s2000's weight distribution (weight between front and rear axles) and the lighter weight of the car. On a track, weight is the biggest factor IMO for lap times other than power and handling characteristics.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FR-MOB: Jerk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">blkturbos2k and papa5murf , let your fists do the talking .. rofl

both of you lives in Va so meet up and see whos the boss ROFL
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Oh, Oh... we can also do it F&F style and race. Not drag or road but tokyo drift style. It just sucks that my motor is out of the car and he doesnt race. Hold on, my girl and I do have a Sub 2.5 RS and a 05 Rl. The RL runs a 15 flat in the 1/4!!!

Just to let everyone know when I talk about other cars and say they are better then the s2k, its because I have owned most of what i talk about.

I like the s2k but there are much better cars out there that can do what the s2k does and more. If i didnt like the car I would of sold it by now. But I have goals for the car. I wanna run a high 9 or a VERY low 10.

My point is , a stock s2k is not ****. If you hook it up for road or drag then you can make it do what ever you want. I just hate it when people thinj the s2k is the **** for road racing.
.

 

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my god, at least have some numbers to back up all your claims... all you seem to do is bash the S on it's roadcourse/handling ability becuase you're one of the few people that decided to make it a drag car....so i guess you need some reason to back up your claim as to why you decided to go the drag racing route instead of another route... (seriously it gets old when all you do is bash on the S for this or that, and it seems to be what all your posts consist of)

but here's some numbers for you....

RL 0.87g
300zx 0.88g
prius 0.73g
ap1 0.92g
ap2 0.89g

now correct my math.. cause it might be wrong in your eyes.... but to me....
89 or 92 is actually a greater number then 73, 87, or 88

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^ Winner /thread

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3CkunWicY8

heres the video you were talking about i think. so according to this video the ap2 has better suspension and handling than the ap1.

 

That's curious.

SCCA Solo II (Autocross)

B-Stock - 2003
Places 1, 2 & 3 - 15 S2000 in the first 26 places (all other cars = 6)

B-Stock - 2004
First through and including 16th cars=S2000
Although mid specification for HP and Torque, pushed up to A-Stock with Corvettes, Porsche, M3.

A-Stock - 2005
3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 9th. (1st = Porsche 993, 2nd = Corvette)
23 of the first 42 places owned by S2000

A-Stock - 2006
2nd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th & 12th
15 of the first 25 places owned by S2000

Call all those people that you spoke to for years and apologize for being so wrong!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LaterApex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's curious.

SCCA Solo II (Autocross)

B-Stock - 2003
Places 1, 2 & 3 - 15 S2000 in the first 26 places (all other cars = 6)

B-Stock - 2004
First through and including 16th cars=S2000
Although mid specification for HP and Torque, pushed up to A-Stock with Corvettes, Porsche, M3.

A-Stock - 2005
3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 9th. (1st = Porsche 993, 2nd = Corvette)
23 of the first 42 places owned by S2000

A-Stock - 2006
2nd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th & 12th
15 of the first 25 places owned by S2000

Call all those people that you spoke to for years and apologize for being so wrong!

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How about I call you and ask if you know how to read. If you would LOOK I said that the s2k is only good on the auto-X. So what point did you prove??? None! No matter what any of you say I will still feel the same way about the car. I know the car does well on the auto-x but other then that I dont think it does well on a road race

 

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How about I call you and ask if you know how to read. If you would LOOK I said that the s2k is only good on the auto-X. So what point did you prove??? None! No matter what any of you say I will still feel the same way about the car. I know the car does well on the auto-x but other then that I dont think it does well on a road race</TD></TR></TABLE>

compared to what?

 

Other stock cars that are somewhat of the same price