i need your help ..hondtech s2000 guru's

i currently have a ap2 with NO mods done to the engine whatsoever.

i have the option of either ...
1. getting a J's 60 rs circuit exhuast
or
2.getting a J's racing header+test pipe

both are about the same price..$1300ish..which of the 2 mods will give me the most HP?

im sorry if this sounds such a newbie question...
(pls keep the comments to the subject and not about how expensive the parts compared other mods)

thanks in advance.

 

I'd go with the header and test pipe. i think that will give you more hp than the exhaust... but im not definite. its definitely a good buy though if u have future plans for the motor.

 

header set, but keep in mind that peak gains will be seen via a programmable ecu and a good tuner.

If you don't plan on getting an AEM EMS and having it tuned, don't bother with the header and get the exhuast since it'll look better

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evil vapor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">header set, but keep in mind that peak gains will be seen via a programmable ecu and a good tuner.

If you don't plan on getting an AEM EMS and having it tuned, don't bother with the header and get the exhuast since it'll look better </TD></TR></TABLE>

what about a apexi vafcII? would that help it out?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc5 jared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what about a apexi vafcII? would that help it out?</TD></TR></TABLE>

help yes...only in full throttle (a few hp) with mickey mouse like effects in partial throttle. Not worth the installation time and money spent tuning for the gains.

Installing the AEM EMS alone with a good tune on a bone stock s2000 will yield more gains than throwing on the whole I/H/E and not touching the ecu.

 

i have the J's Header and Test pipe and it is certainly a noticible increase in power and really improves the drivability.

 

also, if you are local and would like to come check out my car or drive it to get an idea first hand. feel free.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evil vapor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">help yes...only in full throttle (a few hp) with mickey mouse like effects in partial throttle. Not worth the installation time and money spent tuning for the gains.

Installing the AEM EMS alone with a good tune on a bone stock s2000 will yield more gains than throwing on the whole I/H/E and not touching the ecu. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats the truth. ive driven a friends s2000 with a H/E before and after the EMS tune, and it was a night and day difference.

you might wanna consider gears as an option as well if you want to improve acceleration.

 

ehhh... i disagree.. the header test pipe took me less than an hour to install in my garage by myself. a retard who has never touched a tool in his life could do it in an afternoon. and the header and test pipe is like 1300 bucks.. the aem properly sensored and tuned is easily 2000.

 

Header and test pipe. Then go with a Greddy E-manage unit and get it tuned.

AEM EMS $1300&lt; Greddy e-manage $350

Too many ppl that get AEM only use 25% of what it has to offer. Unless you are planning on FI, I wouldn't waste the extra money on the AEM. Read up on s2ki.com about the two. There is a thread there comparing the two.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S2kRyan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Header and test pipe. Then go with a Greddy E-manage unit and get it tuned.

AEM EMS $1300&lt; Greddy e-manage $350

Too many ppl that get AEM only use 25% of what it has to offer. Unless you are planning on FI, I wouldn't waste the extra money on the AEM. Read up on s2ki.com about the two. There is a thread there comparing the two.</TD></TR></TABLE>

good info right there....

 

Best mod for the money is Richmon 4.57 FD. As for the header stock is good enough I would get a single outlet exhaust (for weight reduction).

 

pretty much you need to sell me your mf10's

the exhaust is going to make more power than the header will, but the test pipe will make more power over the exhaust. over all i would get the header/pipe combo.

Check this out also the 70rr is a header back system. it will make some nice power.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/ind...27353

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-R Yo! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Best mod for the money is Richmon 4.57 FD. As for the header stock is good enough I would get a single outlet exhaust (for weight reduction).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Gears are a great investment, I plan to have 4.57's around Easter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S2kRyan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Header and test pipe. Then go with a Greddy E-manage unit and get it tuned.

AEM EMS $1300&lt; Greddy e-manage $350

Too many ppl that get AEM only use 25% of what it has to offer. Unless you are planning on FI, I wouldn't waste the extra money on the AEM. Read up on s2ki.com about the two. There is a thread there comparing the two.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you want a true standalone ecu, not a piggy back, the AEM EMS blows the Greddy E-manage away. If I wanted a piggy back, I would stick with the VAFC.

AEM's EMS tuning software is superior and easier to tune plus the advantages of using the auto-tune function with a wideband o2 sensor. If you ever decide to go boost, the EMS is also superior to the Emanage. It's a no brainer decision b/w the two.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2kb0i &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ehhh... i disagree.. the header test pipe took me less than an hour to install in my garage by myself. a retard who has never touched a tool in his life could do it in an afternoon. and the header and test pipe is like 1300 bucks.. the aem properly sensored and tuned is easily 2000.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What do you mean by "properly sensored?" The EMS is pretty close to plug and play, especially with the new compact version with the UEGO controller built in. Installing it is very easy as well for anyone that knows their way around a car and tools.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2kb0i &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have the J's Header and Test pipe and it is certainly a noticible increase in power and really improves the drivability.</TD></TR></TABLE>

do you have before and after dyno numbers to back up that statement?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty much you need to sell me your mf10's

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get in line francesco......seriously. i get hit up all the time

 

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/ind...13210

and for those of you too lazy to click on it, ill summarize it for you.

-stock AP2 dynoed at 217hp and 152tq
-After E-Manage Tune and colder plugs, he made 232hp and 163tq

so tell me, bolt ons or emanage

 

buy whichever first but dont install until you save up enough for everything so you can do it all at once, it will be well worth it