Well since the car finally made its first pass, I thought I might post to get some pointers and what not. But please read before posting what I already said I am going to do nex time.

The car is here



https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1575930

I took it to a local 1/8th mile track, it was a decent day I would say high 60s or so. I was running on 24.5" MT slicks, tire pressure was at 14 for the first run and 12 for the second. I did this so I could get down the track on the stock axles.

First run
60' 1.86
594' 7.35
1/8 7.7X
MPH 101.77

Second run
60' 1.78
594' 7.25
1/8 7.6X
MPH 100.48

I had decent launches on the tire pressure, but as you can tell was pretty much spinning through 2nd gear and finally catching in the middle of third, then took off.

Things I am chaning for next time.. obviously lowering the tire pressure to around 10psi to start, maybe lower if it needs it. ( I don't feel like breaking axles just yet)

Also the car does have traction bars. They almost kicked me out for not having updated belts (opps)

Any coments welcome. I know the ETs will come, but for a shakedown run, I thought that was decent.

 

MPH is very strong. How much does the car weigh?

 

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I am not 100% sure yet. I want to get it weighed at mason dixon this weekend.

 

its hard to say about pointers.

are you using any type of preload? and are you using a 2 step?

my last 1/8th mile times in my hatch were in the 6.60-6.80 range off the spray@18psi.

i found that playin with my tire pressure was very key, many times before i was either to high, or way to low. my low pressure was causing a bad mph due to struggling to keep the tires going, i guess

sounds to me like you have the power but are just having serious traction issues.

what boost controler are you using?

also im sure you would gain some serious ground if given another 1/8th mile

 

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sounds to me like you have the power but are just having serious traction issues.

what boost controler are you using?

also im sure you would gain some serious ground if given another 1/8th mile</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am preloading, my 60' times aren't too bad considering the tire pressure and such. I am only running 14 (boost) psi and had 12 psi in the tires, it was also off a 2step at 6200. This wasn't be any means a hardcore run. It was a shakedown pass. It was the first pass the car made down the track. I am not using a boost controller, it is right off the wastegate.

Also I think it will be a lot better with lower tire pressure, i know that is the problem right now. Since I know the car atleast runs, I can get set on finding the right settings as far as tire pressure and what not. I think the car has a very low 7 in it on the same boost level. I mean, I dropped a tenth on my second run.

I guess it is hard to explain, but this was the very first time I ever got the car up to speed down the track. Definitley need more seat time, but I think that setting up the tires and a better burnout might help a lot. I will get some video this weekend.

 

what kind of power is it making? pretty good trap

 

Well on the dyno I use it makes around 330. I only got three pulls, because It was a favor to squeeze me in. I didn't dial in the cam gears or lean it out, it was around 11 flat A/F, which wasn't bad.

Here is the one graph.



It makes right around 14 psi.

 

Oh snap!!! Do we have videos????

You are right at Adam`s trap I believe. I think he was getting 102 or so in the 1/8th. We need that boost cranked up and you to have seat time in a car like that. And.... well....

 

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You are right at Adam`s trap I believe. I think he was getting 102 or so in the 1/8th. We need that boost cranked up and you to have seat time in a car like that. And.... well....

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Indeed man. The first trap speed was 101.77.. so close to 102.

Seat time will be a plus. Actually the only two people that went were me and my dad. Luke and Kris showed up late. I think I am going this weekend, hopefully with some vids.

 

Got 3 more runs in the car today.

At 13 tire pres.
7.5 @ 101

At 12 tire pres
7.4 @ 100

At 11 tire pres
7.4 @ 100 ( bogged laucnh, tree fell real quick)

 

Good. You're getting there. You really need to get to Maple or Cecil. You'll see the 1/8th mile times drop real quick. I believe Adam was running 7.0-7.2 in the 1/8th... but at Maple and MIR. And I can promise you South Mountain is a tad bit slower.

Good work, John. I can't wait to get home to give you a hand.

 

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Good work, John. I can't wait to get home to give you a hand. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks man. I am slowly getting there. I am just soo conscious about breaking an axle, I won't let myself drop the tire pressure a whole lot. But I like the way things are going so I will just keep doing what I am doing. I want to go to mason on the 26-28... sometime in there. I have long weekend.

 

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Thanks man. I am slowly getting there. I am just soo conscious about breaking an axle, I won't let myself drop the tire pressure a whole lot. But I like the way things are going so I will just keep doing what I am doing. I want to go to mason on the 26-28... sometime in there. I have long weekend. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Cecil County on the 28th.

 

11s, John. I know you want them. *nudge* nudge*

 

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I think I am just going to skip 11s all together.

 

I normally wouldn't have a single objection to that.... but I won't be there to see it.

 

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Have to get it on tape then.

 

I think that some of your traction issues are from the power that you are making. Cars that have a more linear power band (unlike yours where you have a huge increase in torque and hp) get better traction. I don't know who tuned the car, but it can be done better than that.

 

cut your tire pressure in half! dont be scared of stock axles they work well. i went 9.8@157 on stock axles, numerous times......the same stock axles i used the whole prevoius year, making a billion 10 second pass's

 

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change that to ... "the same stock axles i used the whole prevoius year, making a billion 10.0 pass's"

 

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I am pretty sure you know that I tuned the car.

It was on the dyno for 3 pulls. It is in no way fully tuned yet. And with this turbo, vtec and boost are all at one time. Its not like I wanted it that way, but I am hardly ever below that rpm anyway, so the huge tq peak at vtec and full boost aren't ever seen going down the track. So I don't disagree with it needing more tuning, because I think it does. But I don't have time to do it at the moment, and I don't think it is worth it since another block is going in it soon.

But in any case, the next time it hits the dyno will be with the built motor. I will definitley lower vtec to around 4800 and see what happens.

Next time at the track, tire pressure will be down a good bit.

 

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Well, I was about to chime in and say both things that John already did.
1) He stated it has only made three dyno pulls, no cam gear tuning or leaning it out.
2) He's almost always above the 5000 rpm the whole way down the track. So it's not gonna make THAT much of a difference.

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And are you finally gonna listen to me about the axles, John?
You will be fine. I mean, you can probably expect to go through a set, but for the most part you'll be fine. I don't understand what Mikey's problem with the car was. But get rid of his luck already. It's time to make that car your bitch.

 

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Well, I was about to chime in and say both things that John already did.
1) He stated it has only made three dyno pulls, no cam gear tuning or leaning it out.
2) He's almost always above the 5000 rpm the whole way down the track. So it's not gonna make THAT much of a difference.

And are you finally gonna listen to me about the axles, John?
You will be fine. I mean, you can probably expect to go through a set, but for the most part you'll be fine. I don't understand what Mikey's problem with the car was. But get rid of his luck already. It's time to make that car your bitch. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it is time to get into it a little more. I just wanted to make some clean passes first. Also mikey's problem was he wasn't preloading and was dropping it at the rev limiter. I am pulling the same 60fts by launching at 6K and didn't get the tire pressure down yet.

 

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mikey's problem was he wasn't preloading and was dropping it at the rev limiter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you really expect a man, who is known for burnouts, to be able to gently preload something?

 

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Did you really expect a man, who is known for burnouts, to be able to gently preload something? </TD></TR></TABLE>

nope. But I can.