Long time no see guys .. Ive been MIA since the selling of my Integra a year back. I actually sold it to one of our s2k owners here on honda-tech for a daily driver. I really miss being in a honda and am glad to say ill be purchasing an s2000 in a week or so. Im tracking down an Ap1 and have big plans. Im going with a ap1 because i like the front/rear bumpers and lips avaliable (oem) and frankly i like the 9k rev limiter vs the ap2's 8K ( despite its torque ). Ive been on the s2k boards ( ht and s2ki ) reading up day in and day out for the last 2 weeks, especially s2ki's NA thread. Im planning on going NA with this car due to reliability issues with a daily driver at stake. Please let me know if theres anything to look out for when purchasing these cars ( ive done some searching dont worry im no noob ) My goal is to achieve a fun daily driver/accational track car while reaching approx 230-240 WHP.

MOD list so far .. PLEASE SUGGEST OR ADVISE .. you guys know best

J's intake
J's header
T1R 70mm single exhaust
hondata gasket
Mugen cooling Mods
VAFC ( maybe e manage)
Recaro SPG
OEM front lip
Carbon side diffusers AJ Racing
Tein RA
J line/ Volk 18" wheels

Im sure this list will only grow but those of you who are familiar with my integra you know I dont cut corners

- SpoonUP

 

Final gear drive with comptech reinforced diff. housing is a good mod that should be considered.

http://www.ricks2k.com/home.php

 

I am considering getting gears as well thank you ...
not much of a crowd over here in the s2k world huh ...or did my post just bore you all

 

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advice: get car first, then go for the appropriate mods and consider the costs/gains of each and whether they are worth it to you.

Most importantly, mod the car for yourself, not how a bunch of guys on the internets thinks you should mod it but ya obviously know that

As for picking out a model year, drive both ap1 and ap2 just to make sure you really prefer the ap1.


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the comptech reinforced differential housing is nothing more than bearing caps and should not be considered when swapping out the ring and pinion.

 

sorry for the noob question, but which years are ap1 and which years are ap2? don't know much about s2k's.

 

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AP1=2000-2003
AP2=2004-Present

 

Advice:

1. Buy car.
2. Auto-x/Track above car.
3. Consider IF it needs mods.

 

ull realize that a lot of mods hurt the car's performance. just be smart as to what you do. id definitely take it to a track event to see how it drives, then go from there.

remember-- just because its a good name, doesnt mean it will be better than the oem parts.

 

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ya but lots are proven better than oem


the real point of what we are trying to say is dont waste your money on mods until you realize the full potential of the car....then if you think you need more power...mod accordingly.

 

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"Better" is a relative term. Netting 4hp from a $1500 worth of mods could be viewed as "better" than stock, but if that were my money, they can keep their 4 horses. I know there are good mods that perform well, but not "lots."

 

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"Better" is a relative term. Netting 4hp from a $1500 worth of mods could be viewed as "better" than stock, but if that were my money, they can keep their 4 horses. I know there are good mods that perform well, but not "lots."</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup, n/a isn't getting anywhere, i'll do something else with my money.

 

Just drive the car. It's fun stock and will hold its value better. Maybe upgrade the suspension but why mess with such a well-engineered motor?

 

i totally agree and think its pretty much a waste n/a

supercharge ftw!!!

nothin beats reliability + carb legal.

 

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Agreed. If you've been reading S2Ki.com you should have read somewhere that Honda engineers squeezed out almost as much power as possible from the S, leaving about 5% to improve on NA. You may get a little bit of power in the low end with the right header and single exhaust, but one of the main benefits of getting headers and exhaust is that you take off lots of weight.

I haven't heard much about Toda cams, but there is another brand in development. I think the guys name is Brian Crower. I will be waiting to see what those can do with cam gears.

 

Thanks for the input guys ! ... Its not really a question on wether or not I want to Mod the car. Im not new to hondas and I know you see little results for a alot of money. But in this honda world we live in, my money dosent just buy me hp ... cheesy enough it buys me happiness. I enjoy modding cars more than anything. I know i want to stay NA becuase of MY goals and aspirations for the s2k .. so id rather you not influence me otherwise. I chose these parts not becuase of the JDM bling factor, and i know that big names dosent necc. mean big hp. But in this case the parts Ive chosen have proven to outperform all others. Those of you who think NA is worthless .. well id dissagree. To me 230 - 240 WHP is no lost cause and will be extremley fun to drive. Thanks for the help so far .. and I hope theres much more of you who can shine light on my NA dream. Still trying to find a cleannnn AP1 with low miles !

-spoonUp

 

you can get close to your hp goal by an aem ems, good tuning on it, and the right combo of i/h/e. nothing really else would be needed.

 

I made 243whp on a dynapack dyno via aem intake, toda header, test pipe, custom 2.5" exhuast, and AEM ECU tuned by several different tuners. Don't bother with the mugen cooling mods or the hondata gasket...the time/effort involved in installing them (if you're doing yourself) isn't worth the trouble IMO.

The car felt great in the above trim. Car weighed 2450lbs dry and it felt fast but for the street, I wouldn't do it again. Turbo is the way to go.

 

Wow evil .. thats pretty impressive, thanks for the heads up.

 

How does a thermostat and radiator cap with no mention of a aluminum radiator= "cooling mods". Not to mention most of your "mod list" is probably copied word for word out of some ricer mag ie; super street
Dreamer

 

whoah whoah whats with the attitude? it looks like he's done his research on s2ki. lets all get along here.

 

leave it stock or go for real gains(FI) .

 

haha LSVtecor82 .. you must be one of those guys who needs to overcompensate for something ... nobody asked for your negativity .. keep it to yourself. I dont need to tell you that i know hondas like the back of my hand. I simply asked for some advice regarding a new vehicle that ill be purchasing. Because I make a list of modifications means i have a plan for the car not a dreamer. This is something everyone should have before they decide to modify the car ! Do everyone a favor and take yourself somewhere else
Sorry guys .. continue on with the thread.

 

When ppl say WHP they usually mean power taken with the wheel rolling on the dyno. A dynapack measures HP at the wheel hub, which doesn't account for losses from wheel rotational mass. If the same car was measured on a dynojet under the same conditions, the HP figure would be less.

 

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228whp on a dynojet isn't very much less It's all relative.

baseline stock on dynojet: 195whp
baseline stock on dynapack: 208whp

Modded on dynojet: 228whp
Modded on dynapack: 243whp

The gains are there, no matter what dyno you look at.

 

Vapor, exactly, it's all relative. Your gains are impressive, but I think it was important to clarify the "relative" difference especially when ppl are spending a few grand to get 10-15 HP gains.

BTW, SPOONup, do a little more research, but I think the 02 and 03 models showed significantly more power on dynos over the 00 and 01 models. Check vtec.net archived articles on the 02 Shawn Church dyno'd.