so im on my way to church this morning and i stop at a gas station to fill a low tire. shut the motor of and fill the tire. hop back in and nothing, cranked and cranked and craned but would not turn over. so after trying for awhile i let it sit thinking it may be flooded. half hour later same thing, eventually the battery dies. so i get the tow truck out and we hook up the jumper and try again...same thing, plenty of crank no turn. he thinks its a fuel issue and not a battery or starter issue since it does crank fine. so i get home and remove the old fuel pump and install a MSD inline pump in its place that i had sitting around for a few years from an Integra turbo project that never happened. so i finally get that in and i knew i wired it up right because i could hear the pump priming itself and spinning as i was trying to start it....still same think all crank and no turn over

under the hood there is nothing visible that would alert me to a problem

im running out of ideas and any help would be much appreciated

and btw it's a 95 DX 1.5L 5spd

 

buy a new dizzy more than likely your problem

 

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what brings you to that conclusion?

that problem sounds to me like it could be the main relay, but i dont know too much myself, mabey someone will chime in that knows more good luck

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92ehatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what brings you to that conclusion?

that problem sounds to me like it could be the main relay, but i dont know too much myself, mabey someone will chime in that knows more good luck</TD></TR></TABLE>here's what brings me 2 that conclusion, he said he heard the fuel pump priming, so the motor is gettin fuel, if the main rely was bad he wouldnt even get any fuel.....there u go

 

test for spark then go from there

 

now here's how u test for spark pull one of the sparkplug wires off and have 1 of your stupid freinds put his finger on the the plug wire try to start the car if he yells u have spark if does not replace dizzy

 

or a inline spark tester

 

but would a bad dist. just go off like a switch lik this did? i mean no warnin no nothing just gone

ok now can someone run through the right way to test spark without an fancy tools lol

 

try looking to see if the battery is screwed on tight. i had a similar prblm and i was freaking out checking everything, but it turned out that the bolts werent screwed on tight enough

 

battery is tight as a drum. cables are tight and had the van jumped up to it last night and nothing. the starter is getting plenty of power the damn motor just wont turn over

 

to test for spark just pull one of the spark plug wires from the head and hold the end to a grounded bolt like a head stud or something, probably no more than 1/4" away. Now have someone try starting the car. As the motor is cranking, look for a spark to jump between the grounded bolt and the end of the plug wire.

If you don't get a spark, start looking at things like the coil and that. You may not need a complete distributor, just a part inside. My 92 CX cut out on me while driving once a couple years ago. I didn't have a spark and it turned out to be the coil. But thats not to say thats your problem, there is more than just the coil that deals with the spark.

 

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what brings you to that conclusion?

that problem sounds to me like it could be the main relay, but i dont know too much myself, mabey someone will chime in that knows more good luck</TD></TR></TABLE>

The fuel pump's priming, it's not the main relay.

Sounds like it could be a ground possibly, or a spark issue, do as TouringAccord said, hold one of your spark plug wires to a head stud or grond (or if you have a metal valve cover that'll work just as well) and crank it, if you see a spark jump, then it's sparking.

 

so i pull a plug out but keep it connected to the wire

hold the electrode end near or touching something metal on the car

and just see if i find spark

if not then it can only be a couple things right...dist, igniter, coil, or rotor right

I know where the cap and rotor are but where is the coil and igniter on this car


also would an ignition issue just pop up w/o warning like this? now if my steering column ignition switch was bad i wouldnt even crank right?


I really hope i can figure this out without bringing the car into the shop

 

coil, igniter, and rotor are all under the dizzy cap
try pulling the three screws on the dizzy cap without disconnecting the spark plug wirez
visually inspect the pickup points on the inside of the cap and on the edge of the rotor...
if u goto replace rotor and cap make sure u don't lose the little screw that holds the rotor in...or strip it for that matter
if u have a little corrosion on the points but have no $ for a new one...take a little piece of emery or sandpaper and lightly sand the pickups and make sure u blow it out when ur done
that's all IF u have no spark or weak spark

 

You can just pull the plug wire out and leave the plug in the head, then hold the end of the plug wire to a ground.

You don't need to remove the spark plug to do this.

 

There are several things it can be. I recently had the same problem on my car a few weeks ago.

It can either be the alternator, battery, starter or the alarm.

If your sure it's not the alternator, battery, or starter try disconnecting your alarm under your steering console and then unplug the battery. Let the car sit for a little and then re-plug the battery and the alarm. This solved my problem b/c my alarm activated and cut off my fuel.

Hope this helps!

 

This is a DX with nothing but air, I doubt it has an alarm.

There were no electrical issues prior to this so I wouldnt think its the alternator also I had it connected to full power so i doubt its the bty

so if i just pull a wire but it keep it connected to the dist. cap and hold it near a ground i should see spark? how close should it be? does it needs to be touching a ground? or just near

 

Ok, My money would be on the Coil, This happend to me and I had no electrical problems/warnings before it failed.

To test a spark plug you can remove the plug from the motor set the base of the plug on a ground like the frame and then crank it and see if it sparks.

Mine sparked but the specs of the coil was lower than it should have been.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeremyL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if i just pull a wire but it keep it connected to the dist. cap and hold it near a ground i should see spark? how close should it be? does it needs to be touching a ground? or just near</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep, just hold it real close but so you can see it spark. I would probably say no more than a 1/4" away.

 

ok now where is the coil and how would one go about replacing it?

is it an internal like the Integra B18B1 was?

 

coil is in distributor, save your self time and trouble and just replace distributor, or u can buy a external coil like the 1 msd makes but your choice.... but if I were u I would replace dizzy because your module in the distributor could b bad also and I dont think they sell that seperate...g/l

 

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Ya, u don't need a MSD ignition coil, a regular complete new dizzy would work for "changing the coil" - though I don't know if that's your problem (just agreeing with what he said in that post).

 

I guess I just don't get why you would replace the entire distributor if the coil is what needs to be replaced, why not just replace the coil. I wouldn't buy an entire distributor unless something went bad that can't be replaced seperately.

To replace the coil...
pull the cap off, pull the rotor off, unplug the wires running to the coil, unscrew the two screws hold the coil in, pull the old coil out, install in reverse order.

Whatever you decide though, make sure you find the problem before throwing parts at it.

 

dizzy!!! my H did the same thing the other day....

GL

 

yeah what im really afraid of is just throwing parts at it and spending money chasing a problem that i dont know for sure is the problem. i did pull the cap off this morning and there was some built up junk on the contact points so i cleaned them off but couldnt check because my jumper cables were in my wife's car

InfraReD ek

so youre saying the same thing happened to you and you replaced the whole distributor and it was ok? is this an expensive part to get