Is there any difference? i might pick up a gsr early next year..

 

the ITR was a gimmick from Acura to get you to pay thousands more than a GSR for no apparent reason

 

So mean Marc, LOL.

 

hey, i bumped your fs thread so take that back

 

I'd also like to know how big a difference it is between a regular integra with upgraded suspension and a ITR with upgraded suspension. Some guy was talking about how his LS could outhandle any ITR, but nobody payed much attention to him.

 

lets put it this way. the ITR is hand built with a few goals in mind which were accomplish. Balance, and understeer being the enemy. not only is the itr faster in a straight line, but its handling is superior to a gsr. the brakes are bigger, better wheels can fit on there, and the frame/chassis itself has stronger points, the itr IS worth the extra $

 

i once had a gsr with a race suspension and now i own a stock itr and lets just say the diff is still night and day. an itr is a completely diff car than a gsr

 

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Not a day goes by that I don't feel robbed.

Get the GS-R.

 

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Get the GS-R. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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is this true?

 

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Not a day goes by that I don't feel robbed.

Get the GS-R.

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is this true?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no...well no more than any other integra

 

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How could anyone possibly answer that question without knowing what are these "upgraded" suspensions? Plus, it's hard to mess with the ITR's factory suspenion. Alot of "upgrades" are more likely to be downgrades.

OP: Get a GS-R, the money you save you can upgrade whatever you want.

 

I had a 97 GSR w/springs/shocks/wheels (unfortuantely met an untimely demise, but that's another story). Now have an R with shocks, lowered a modest 15 mm with 15x7 rims. I just drove a friend's stock 97 GSR the other day... Nice car, but it really made me appreciate the R a whole lot more than I already did !!! Wow - what a difference ! Yes, you can modify a GSR or any car, for that matter, to be better performing than a Type-R - but you will spend a lot of money/time and you will be very frustrated. If you like race cars, get an R.

 

As much as i hate these posts i wanted to chime in simply bc i own both.

Is there a difference? Yes...completely. Both of my cars still have stock suspension on them and the difference is night and day. If there is something specific you want answered please ask.

 

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What are you going to use the car for? DD? Track?

I'd get the GSR for DD duties and occasional track time. GSR's a good platform to work from.

If this will be your weekend/race car, then I'd search for an ITR. It lacks everyday DD amenities, but it's super-duper straight out of the box. Balance, power and reliability are its best attributes.

^@#!, I miss mine...

 

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hand build? huh?

there isn't that much of a difference. different? yes. but not like you people like to make it seem.

 

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Is there a difference? Yes...completely. Both of my cars still have stock suspension on them and the difference is night and day. If there is something specific you want answered please ask.</TD></TR></TABLE>

As much as i hate these posts i wanted to chime in simply because i own both.

Is there a difference? Yes...completely. Both of my cars still have stock suspension on them (with the exception of Bilstein shocks on the GS-R, which now has 140K+ miles) and the difference is night and day.



I tried tracking the GS-R a few times and thought it was grossly inadequate for my tracking needs, whereas the ITR is excellent on the track. If you're just looking for a reliable, sporty daily driver, the GS-R may be all you need.

Can you mod the GS-R? Sure; you can mod any car any way you like. But there are a lot of differences between the two cars. Also, what you don't get by modding is market value; just to use some typical figures, you can spend $16K on a Type R and if you sell it in a couple years you will probably still get $14-16K for it, whereas you can spend $8K on a GS-R and another $4-8K to mod it but if you sell it in a couple years you will probably only get $6-8K for it, which means it cost you a lot more to buy and mod the GS-R. Buying an already-modded used GS-R is better from a financial standpoint but that can be much more risky in terms of performance and reliability.

If there is something specific you want answered please ask.

 

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I tried tracking the GS-R a few times and thought it was grossly inadequate for my tracking needs, whereas the ITR is excellent on the track. If you're just looking for a reliable, sporty daily driver, the GS-R may be all you need.

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Although this is my own question, i thought the OP may want to know as this as well. Are you referring to the understeer tendencies of GSR?

 

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No. The handling was okay, although obviously the suspension isn't as firm as the ITR. The major reason I found it inadequate was the braking - not just the amount of braking ability, but its inability to handle the heat that was generated on the track. At one event, at Blackhawk Farms, the brakes got so hot that the backing plates of the brake pads (Porterfield R4S) softened and folded around the caliper pistons.

 

not all of the ITR is handbuilt. the motor is handbuilt, and some of the chassis as well, i said this because it represents the quality and the time and the effort put into that car

 

thats very interesting to know. I know the 10 inch brake's gonna heat up, but never imagined its going to heat up to that extend. Glad i have the Fastbrakes 11inch conversion ready to go.

 

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i doubt an itr is assembled in a different fashion than the gsr

 

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i doubt an itr is assembled in a different fashion than the gsr</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think he's referring to how the first years were hand ported and polished etc which as far as I understand became mechanized for the 98, 00 & 01's.

 

The ITR is still the best handling FWD car in the world if that tells you something.

Having owned both a GS-R and 2 ITR's, I'd never look at a GS-R again, except for theft reasons. Maybe for a DD, but other than that, ITR &gt; GS-R