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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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I have a 97 GSR with omni Sport line coils, Skunk2 Pro Plus Camber Kit, and energy suspension bushings, my problem is about 6 months ago my car starting pulling to the right, and got worse and worse, well it got worse and worse because my right tire was wearing and it just kept making itself get worse, that was with the same setup but ingals camber kit, well i switched over to pro plus, and obviously that replaced the upper ball joint, and then went and had a alignment, well he said my camber isnt perfect, but nothing horible enough to cause major tire wear, so i left, and noticed it was still pulling a little bit, and day by day getting worse, so i took it back to him, and he said my caster is off a little, and that could be it, but there is no factory adjustment fdor it, so theres nothing he can do, well 2 weeks after alighnter im showing inner tire wear on my right tire ONLY, not left at all, so its not camber, any ideas anyone, this guy isnt getting me no where, ive heard i might have a output shaft bearing on my tranny seizing up and causeing it to pull and get tire wear, I NEED HELP, ANYONE
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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toe, something is bent, or the tie rod is out of adustment
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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I asked him if it was something with tow, and he said "no it is pure caster, which i have no factory adjustment for", ive never heard of a caster kit, ok, well how do i go abouts finding out if thats what it is, just buy a new tie rod end?
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 06:50 PM
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?????
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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what did the alignment sheet say. numbers.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Camber:
Front Left= -1.83
Front Right= -1.82

Toe
Left= +.01
Right= +.02
Total= +.04

The sheet doenst give caster number for some reasons just number signs(#)
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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I thought maybe my rear was off a little and that could be affecting this, and he said no way, but i do have numbers on the rear if anyone thinks that might help
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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im planning on lifting the car up tommorow, and have a all wheel alignment, but if i need something else, like tie rod end, or new ball joint then i want to get that first, im going to life it about 1/2" to 3/4"
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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have you inspected your polyurethane bushings?

and btw, yes, caster does affect alignment/steering. in case that was in question.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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yeah i know it does, but is there such thing as a "caster kit", cuase my alignemnt guy said he has never heard of anything
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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and all the bushing are fine
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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no, there isnt a caster kit really. some company does have some funky upper control arm that can adjust it. but its not really all that common.

i dunno man. take out your camber kit, put stock parts back in. only other thing i can think of. but im not convinced its not have to do with the bushings.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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it was doing this with teh stock parts in, i bought the car with sotkc upper control arm, and ingals camver kit, and then one day it started doing this, i dont remember hitting anythihng really hard like a pot hole or bump, but it just started doing it... so i dont think putting stock stuff back in will change anything
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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your ingalls kit is the kind that replaces the bushings in the upper arm?

are the stock ones back in now?

btw, the reason im suspecting the poly bushing is because the binding at the inner lower control arm bushing directly affects caster. and is one of the reasons i dont suggest ever using poly.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 07:37 PM
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im guessing the static numbers are ok on the toe, but dynamicaly, somethign is causing the toe to skew off and cause this tire wear you speak of. The radius rod like bushing (compliance bushing) would be my first suspect causing teh caster to vary.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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can you get me a pic of the bushing you think it is? and yes it was the kind that replaves the upper contorl arm bushings, and basically it has stock now, the skunk2 pro plus camber kit comes with the contorl arm, ball joint, and those bushings and bolts with it, here are pics of mine:

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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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if those are the ones you are running, you should be fine. Unless they are bent some how.


like others suggest, something is bent and or binding.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 10:08 PM
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well im pretty sure a bent tie rod end would show up on the aligment rack, dont ya think??? any pics of some bushings or other stuff i can check?
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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if caster is out it can cause a pull but it will not cause tire wear.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 12:18 AM
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this tire wear looks like camber wear, it is on the inside of the tire, and can take a 100% tire down to braides within a month or two... its not camber though, cause my left side doenst wear at all
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 06:29 AM
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Dont know if this helps, but the more you accelerate the more it pulls to the right
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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It is sometimes hard to see a bend in suspension components, or to compare sides to see what it should look like.

To wear a tire in a month is ridiculous, The first thing I would attempt to eliminate the problem is to swap the LCA, as well as the knuckle.

For it to pull more upon acceleration tells me it may very well be a bushing. By putting a stock lower arm and lower rear portion of the LCA, should be able to eliminate if it is a bushing or not.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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so whats installed in your car currently??? im confused man.
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With the steering wheel pointed perfectly straight, take a careful look at the two front tires. Does either one seemed off center in the wheel well? If so, you have a bent/damaged suspension arm. A right hand pull should be the result of a right LCA that is bent rearward, a right UCA bent forward, a left LCA bent forward, or lastly a left UCA bent rearward. You definitely don't want a caster kit though. Caster adjustment will only create other problems (like bump-steer). You DO want to find the reason your cars caster is off & fix it.

A bent knuckle effects camber & toe, but caster so much (it would have to be bent VERY severely). A bent tie rod effects toe, but not caster...

Also, as others have said. Make absolutely sure all your front UCA & LCA bushings are good. Check ALL the bushings where the UCAs & LCAs attach to the car. That is all there is to it...
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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right now my current set up is:
Skunk pro plus camber kit
Omni sprot line coils
energy suspension bushings

thats all
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