in a typical 1700-1800lb civic/teg... what is needed to get it into the 10's N/A..

I heard typically in the 300whp range.... I've even heard 260-270whp can do high 10s.

what are you guys doing???

 

JAVIER OF HONDATA RAN 10.60's MAKING ABOUT 270 AT DYNAPAK, STOKE TYPE R STROKE....WEIGHT I BELIVE 1600-1625LB

 

From what I know and seen you could hit 10's with as little as 260hp but your going to have to have one good suspension set up to hit those 1.5's 60ft.

 

I know someone on this board that made 238whp then went 10.69 the next weekend in a 1700lb Integra

I would say you can hit 10s with as little as 220whp depending on the weight of the car.

 

we went 10.67 in a 1700lbs CRX 280whp

 

KEDIMOTO Racing went 10.75@123.1 with 240whp

vid of pass http://www.we-todd-did-racing....5NTQx

-Arman

 

a little off topic, but why is it you would need 350-400 whp min to get into the 10's in a turbo vehicle, but only 25-300 in a n/a car, traction??

 

traction and turbo lag.. in all motor power is more linear.. Of course it depends on the turbo setup etc...

 

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... and the weight difference.

 

and the gearing is usually very aggressive

 

With a 1700lb car that runs 10's n/a with 270whp, it'll likely run quicker with 270whp turbo because it'll have more average power. Average power, weight, traction, and gearing. I bet you've never seen a 1700lb car with bad *** gearing and wheelie bars with a 270whp turbo motor, huh?

 

nope, cant say that i have.

 

240ish should be enough on a good suspension and launch with a car that light. My cousin went 13.6 with only 200 in a 2800lb del sol. Lohatch went 12.0 with 200 as well in a lighter hatch. These were run on the same nasty *** track they call RockFalls Raceway

 

kinda off topic but does anyone have where they have what every part weighs break down for the weight reduction stuff if you want to do it........i dont mean to sound like a tard but i know it was on here somewhere before and i did a search and couldnt find it

 

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I have noticed the same thing.


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So your saying if you had a mild turbo set up (270whp), but you did like the allmotor guys and gutted your car, got wheelie bars and a short tranny (i am not familiar with all motor but how much shorter are there trannies then a b16?) then you could run 10's?

I think turbo guys just up the hp to overcome the weight and tranny because its easier to turn up boost and make 50whp then it is to get 50 more whp out of an all motor car.

 

What people forget is that 240-300+whp on an allmotor car is pretty frickin hardcore. You're not going to find someone with 240+ allmotor whp who doenst know what they're doing.

240-300whp in a turbo car is just your average Joe. Someone making 240-300 turbo whp is not trying to break records. It's usually someone trying to have a little fun with a street car. Not a hardcore drag racer trying to squeeze every bit of ET out of his/her setup.


Modified by 2point2 at 5:26 AM 8/12/2006

 

alot of people that run 11's with turbos have full interior cars

 

doing 10.7s at 123 is VERY good. thats a great ET for that mph. my buddies trans am was having a hard time breaking 10.8's with a 125-126 trap speed and he was cuttin like 1.4 60's!!

 

Plenty of guys have run 10s in pro all motor with only 119mph. In my opinion a 270hp all motor car hits the tires completely different than a 270hp turbo car.

Here is an all motor timeslip just squeezing into the 10s in a 1750lb car on a 24.5" tire.

60: 1.495
330: 4.456
1/8: 6.933 @ 99.33
1000: 9.083
1/4: 10.95 @ 120.90

 

who says fwd cant hang with rwd at the strip...1.49 60 foot is moving!

 

I wish someone would do it, build a 1700lb low hp turbo car with the gearing and chassis setup the pro all motor guys are running, you'd see....

 

franzetti's car is still forsale right ? whats that sucker weigh? 1200 lbs ?

 

Yeah, you could get that thing to about 1400lbs with turbo and driver w/o ballast. Weight is big in drag racing. Like someone stated earlier, your average 270hp turbo car is a street car, probably at least 2500lbs and with a stock gearbox. If i can hook over 700hp on a 25" tire, then there will be no traction problems at all with wheelie bars and less than 300hp. The tire doesn't know where the power is coming from, only how much of it there is. Take you average 270hp n/a dyno graph and your average 270hp turbo dyno graph. I bet the turbo motor has more average power in the rpm range it'll see on the track.....

 

not only more average power perhaps, but a broader higher torque curve which is also very important. more torque will help that launch alot

 

Power and torque go hand in hand, can't have more of one without having more of the other at the same rpm. Torque is generally associated with mid rpm while hp high rpm, but in reality, all you need to look at is power when comparing 2 different setups on paper.