I'm curious about the S2000. Is this car really a formidable competitor at the track for H1 compared to the hybrids out there running K series engines? I understand that this car is an RPV.

 

Short answer, yes. Car is very competitve as already proven.

 

not if I were still out there! ha

 

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Yeah, yeah. Or I could be wipping your butt in my H4 car turning faster laps than your H1 car!
J/K! Hurry up and get your *** back out there Bota!

 

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The LS-VTEC was the right setup at that time. You had the right motor to win Bota. While every one was on the Type R wagon, you had the most torque setup.

 

Definitely, S2K is very competitive, again and again. Look at where they play currently in Honda Cup. Most of them still running stock motor and very competitive. And in Honda Cup, the K-series are allowed even more mods!

 

i ran a red s2000 in East Coast 2004 and 2005 and ended up 2nd in points both years. Not even one DNF.

My car was not built to the max either. first year I had stock header, vafc and some shitty intake (PRM I think), and Tein RA's.....

2nd year I at least added a Mugen header but left everything else the same.... i did have 4.77 gears but no aftermarket LSD and no 04 transmission with the better gearing in the lower gears.

a car that is closer to the limits should be very very competitive if the driver can drive in.


especially in 2005 the Hybrids would completely drive away down the straights, then I would make up ground in braking and handling..... then drive away down the straights.... very frustrating...

 

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Yes, but don't forget that with the S2K a race built engine won't show nearly as much of an increase in performance as other engines. There's just not much more that can be done to that engine.

 

IMHO, no.. like Scot said, their only luck is to out qualify the competition and get some clean laps.. If they get into a battle with another car in H1, its useless, the car doesn't have enough power to beat any of the hybids to the next corner, over and over and over again.... You will not see another S2k win in H1 unless:

they qualify well and is leading the first lap
or
everyone else DNFs or screws up..

I need another beer...

 

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I need another beer...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looked to me like you'd already had one too many.

As a distinterested spectator, it seems to me the S2000 in H1 is a car for a good, developed, smooth and intelligent driver. The overall balance and excellence of the car can win you some races, but only if you're a very good, accomplished driver.

Ichishima, for example, still prefers his S2000 to the more modern Hondas.

Unless you are one of those accomplished drivers, you are going to get better results with the K motor cars. It's hard to beat a DC2 ITR chassis with a K motor. They can power out of situations that the S2000 cannot handle.

The DC2 ITR hybrid benefits from the excellence of the new K motors, and benefits from the decade of suspension development conducted by Mugen, Spoon, Realtime, King, and any number of other professional racing programmes. It's going to be hard to beat them unless you're on the same platform yourself.

For whatever that's worth, from an old guy who's not that great a driver himself, and who only spectates.

 

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Yes, but don't forget that with the S2K a race built engine won't show nearly as much of an increase in performance as other engines. There's just not much more that can be done to that engine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That is somewhat true. But in stock form it already more HP than K motor. The K motor has to run stock too!

That being said, the 2.2L motor has proven to put out very good power in various dyno.

The only problem right now is none of the S2K is built to the max. The CA S2K chose to compete in Honda Cup because the weight favor. And over there they are very competitive running stock motor against monster built, more than World Challenge spec K20A. My car in World Challenge spec engine is more than 1 sec faster than my stock motor.

 

The east coast guys running JDM K20R's were putting down a lot more horsepower than my nearly stock S2000 last year, plus they could weigh 250lbs less as well.

Not sure how the West Coast K20's don't make nearly as much HP as the east coast guys???

 

On the topic of K20s...

Are k20s allowed to be swapped into CRXs for H1?

 

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Are k20s allowed to be swapped into CRXs for H1?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes!

 

My uncle is in the market for a straight S2000 for H1.. if anyone knows of one around, let me know. I think he's going to contact Brad and Kelsey about their cursed car.

 

I agree with Cory. If I were to run an S2k, I would concentrate on tuning, extracting every bit of hp/tq possible. With the weights allowed in HC it's very difficult for the SK2 to keep up on the straights. It's strengths are the extremely good handling and braking, but I don't think that is enough to keep you ahead of the pack. If your 8-10 car lengths back at the end of a straight by the time you gain it back they just walk you on the next straight. Preferably, I'd do the 2.2 ltr and tune it to the max. Even with the added weight, you could still keep up in braking and cornering but at least be able to hang on the straights.

 

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That sounds exactly like the problem my CRX has with a certain Integra! Except the tables are turned on the weight side of things. The teg has the weight, and I still can't keep up on the straights!

 

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I believe the minimum weight is something like 200lbs lighter in Honda Cup vs. Honda Challenge.

 

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I believe the minimum weight is something like 200lbs lighter in Honda Cup vs. Honda Challenge.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct, but for the K-series, we are also heavier by 50 lbs. Put additional 30 lbs if we uses the cage that protrude to the engine bay.

The mods allowed on the K-series on Honda Cup is more extensive than World Challenge spec. The difference in my stock K-series and World Challenge engine is very significant. In the tune of 1-2 sec per lap!

At one point, I really wanted to build an S2K for Honda Challenge, as I still think, build right to the max, it will be the dominant car. Only thing stopping me is the limitation of where I can race it at. So, I decided to stick with Touring car.

 

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Yeah, you could be running along great, and then suddenly have like 3 cars pass you on one lap like a freight train....

 

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Thats sounds terrible

 

Hey, you're a local guy. I know a local H1 car that is well sorted and the holder of various track record for sale.

http://nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=10005

 

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I agree with most things but I would opt for the 2.0 L and max it out, also throw in a 4.77 FD in the back. This will be quicker than a 2.2L tuned to the max. I know you could play around with AP2 gearing but I am sure an AP1 tranny with 4.77 will come out better. I have tracked both and that is what my butt timer tells me.

Also, in H1...with the 2.2L, your minimum weight is higher. Its not a penalty I would be willing to take.

 

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http://nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=10005</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've seen this thread before. I've also read the article on Import Tuner. Its one hell of a deal

I was considering getting the the k20 powered ITR on page 2 of the Racecar For Sale Thread.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Nishant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with most things but I would opt for the 2.0 L and max it out, also throw in a 4.77 FD in the back. This will be quicker than a 2.2L tuned to the max. I know you could play around with AP2 gearing but I am sure an AP1 tranny with 4.77 will come out better. I have tracked both and that is what my butt timer tells me.

Also, in H1...with the 2.2L, your minimum weight is higher. Its not a penalty I would be willing to take.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmm. I always thought the AP2 gearing was better overall. Sounds like a great idea