Don't know if anyone has run one yet competitively. BUt I noticed that when going around long sweeping right hand turns and exit ramps the gas gauge really starts to drop.

Does the 1993 Civic SI have gas tank baffles? What's the lowest you can go with fuel in the car? I didn't want ot take any chances today since it was my first time competiting in the Civic, so I left it at 3/4 tank.

Is the tank the same as all the other Civics? EX's? DX's?

 

My 1994 Si does the same thing although neither of my Integras do. I think there aren't any baffles in the Civic tank, although I have gotten as low as having to put 12.9 gallons in the tank after an (autocross) event and never got fuel starvation even on sticky tires. The gauge was way, way into the 'red zone' at the E end of the gauge.

 

My engine died of fuel starvation at Buttonwillow right after Lost Hills (clockwise). I estimate I had about 2-3 gallons of fuels. Car is a 1994 Civic EX. The lap or two before the engine was sputtering in the long sweepers.

 

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Can you even put in 12.9 gallons in a Civic tank?

 

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i think that is how big the tank is, if you fill up the arm too i can see how maybe you can get this much.


OP: i don't think it has baffels, my gauge goes all over the place from 1/2 tank down. Any were below that and while im on the track it may look like im empty but after coming into the paddock it finally levels out.

 

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then you haven't been paying much attention to national level autocross lately. like, for the last 5 years.

neither my coupe nor my hatch have fuel starved. i've run them really damn low too. the needle drops while it's being driven, but it comes back up between runs so i still know how much fuel i have.

so, what setup do you have no your car? have you dynoed it yet?

 

Oh didn't know you had a hatch. I knew about your coupe

Just got the car about 2 weeks ago from Michigan. No rust (which is what I was majorly looking for).

No mods done yet except for a new exhaust (A'PEXi WS2), some ebay intake that came with the car, Ebay coilovers on stock shocks (and the rear shocks are leaking), and stupid halo/projector headlights and Altezza taillights

I haven't had time to get it dynoed. Hopefully next week to see what my baselines are and if I need to do an engine rebuild. Car grinds going into 3rd when the car is warm which makes me think the fluid is not great OR 3rd gear syncro is bad.

I have some parts in the garage as we speak: Megan header, B&M short shifter, motor mount bushings, AEM intake, and soon to be ordering later in the year Koni SPSS shocks with Ground Controls (but trying to work out a sponsorship with Omni Power (through one of my contacts) or Tein &lt;- through Falken). Also needs a brakes. At the finish line yesterday I almost couldn't slow down. Has some Autozone pads and brakes which suck. And the brake fluid looks a nice shade of brown.

Should be a fun car next year.

Ran into Cy Lee yesterday at the Philly event and holy shiek! He is stinking fast with the new setup. I was 3 seconds behind his car with my EG Si. Got alot of ground to make up to catch him

 

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Not sure why you wouldnt take a short time to at least put some fluid in????

 

i've got some carbotech bobcat front pads if you're interested, as well as some carbotech street rear pads that they've discontinued if you're interested. $45+shipping for the fronts, $30+shipping for the rears, or $85 shipped if you buy them both. the bobcats are really nice, they're just lasting longer then i thought they would. i've got too many sets of them now. i can only use 1 set of pads at a time and i've got 4 sets for my car, plus another set for my coupe daily driver. i probably have a larger carbotech pad inventory for this year civic then carbotech does...

the 3rd gear crunch might not be a synchro. if you idle the car in neutral with the clutch out, can you hear a rattle/grunge noise from the tranny that goes away when you put the clutch in? i'd bet $5 that you input shaft or secondary shaft bearings are shot. the symptom you describe matches exactly to what my coupe did when the secondary shaft bearing died. the tranny is easy to rebuild, but buying ALL of the bearings from honda will set you back nearly the same amount as buying a used tranny. i've done both, and now have a spare tranny with all new bearings in it that i don't have a use for right now but can't sell because it's worth more then the market will support.

what has Cy Lee changed on his car? he was quick at the devens tour, but not as quick as I expected him to be. was he on this new setup for the devens tour?

nate

 

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I have a 95 si and I'm 99% sure the tanks are 11.9 gallons, at least according to the owners manual. I always run mine at about 1/8th of a tank or less and I never had fuel starve (and this is on r comp's). The guage drops well into the red but in between runs, if it comes back up to 1/8th, you'll probably be good.

On a side note, Rodney's SM car like to be at about 1/4 to 1/3 of a tank otherwise it sometmes starves on LONG sweepers.

Bottom line, you certainly don't need as mush as an EF.

 

rodney's sm car is suckin down a lot more fuel then even your b16 powered 95, let alone an ST car.

 

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It's full. I believe the rotors/pads are just bad.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 3rd gear crunch might not be a synchro. if you idle the car in neutral with the clutch out, can you hear a rattle/grunge noise from the tranny that goes away when you put the clutch in? i'd bet $5 that you input shaft or secondary shaft bearings are shot. the symptom you describe matches exactly to what my coupe did when the secondary shaft bearing died. the tranny is easy to rebuild, but buying ALL of the bearings from honda will set you back nearly the same amount as buying a used tranny. i've done both, and now have a spare tranny with all new bearings in it that i don't have a use for right now but can't sell because it's worth more then the market will support.

what has Cy Lee changed on his car? he was quick at the devens tour, but not as quick as I expected him to be. was he on this new setup for the devens tour?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the brake pad offer, but I'm trying to get my 2006 sponsorship package from Rotora. Just need to be patient

I do not get a ringing sound when it's in neutral. The crunch/grind only happens when the car is warmed up. Not when it's cold. Once the temp needle stays steady it starts to crunch, BUT if I push the gear shift into 3rd gently and slowly it will not crunch/grind. Sort of letting it just go in when it's ready. Bunch of guys at Honda today said it sounded like the fluid since the clutch was replaced about 30k ago and I dunno what fluid they used in it. Probably not Honda tranny fluid.

Also I get ALOT of side-to-side play with the shifter when it's in gear too. Almost 2-3" of back and forth.

As for Cy when I competed against him last (last year) he was still on 205/50x15". Now he is on 205/40x16" with SSR 16x7.5" wheels and lots more rear negative camber. I believe he is running the same camber as I did last year (-3.0 front and -2.5 rears). I'm going to try 215/45x16" (shaved) on 16x7" Enkei RPF1s front and 205/40x16" on the rears. I'm getting alot of fender rubbing with my 205/50x15" with the car the way it is now. It's not the lips but the tops of each fender.

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My 1991 Civic Si loved 1/3 tank with no problems.

 

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It's full. I believe the rotors/pads are just bad.

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LOL. So along those lines, you dont think that moisture absorbed, "brown" fluid effect's your brake fluid boiling temperature?????

How long have you been doing this?????

Good fluid is what I meant BTW.

 

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How long have you been doing this?????

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No I know the fluid is bad. Just picked up the car 2 weeks ago and been working everyday 12 hours straight. When I asked the owner when he last changed the brake fluid he couldn't even tell me. And he had it for 2 years.

I'm gradually getting to things on the car. Just thought I'd post some ramblings.

How long have you been doing this yourself? You said I should add some more fluid, but you can only put so much fluid in when it's all ready topped off.

 

Reread, Putting good fluid in a car would be the first thing I do before going on track.

 

Yeah I read that. I've been working 2 weeks straight 10-12 hour days. So really no time to do anything except come home, sleep, eat, and mow the fricking lawn.

 

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How long have you been doing this?????

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I can't recall the last time I boiled brake fluid at an autocross.

And if I were him, I'd replace the master cylinder before even bothering to flush the system. $10 says it will develop "sinking pedal syndrome" within 2 days of flushing out what is likely the original factory brake fluid.

 

ever driven on 10+ year old fluid?

Personally, Ive never autox'd but I know breaking in new pads on my 94 ls 3 years ago, before changing fluid, after 4 60-30, moderate pressure, my **** was sinkin

 

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Yes, in both my EJ1 and my ED9. Autocrosses didn't stress it. Track days, OTOH, would have had it simmering in no time.

 

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Well thankfully that looks brand new. As new as the new one I put in my 1991 Civic Si last year when I had the brake system overhauled.