I just got a set of 205/45/16 Yokohama AVS ES100s mounted up on my new 16x7 Rota GT3's. The tires are rubbing, but I'm not sure why. The car is lowered on H&R Sports (1.75 in front, 1.5 in back), and I just put in a camber kit. Prior to these wheels and tires, I had 17x7 wheels and 205/45/17 tires, no camber kit, and there was no rubbing.

I've never come across anyone (lowered or not) that has had a problem with this size tire rubbing on an Integra. I posted this over on Team-Integra, and the consensus seemed to be that new struts would fix the problem (I'm on the stock struts now). Anybody have this experience? Or have any other suggestions?

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What is the offset of the wheels? I'm guessing the offset is too low (tires sticking out too far) if they are scraping the outside edges on the fender lips.

 

wow, i have the SAME car, SAME rims, SAME tire size and SAME drop, i dont rub though..... hmmmm....

 

I actually don't know what the offset is. The tires don't appear to be rubbing on the fenders, though. (Or a least I can't see anywhere they've rubbed on the outside.) I think they're rubbing on the inside.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by newblueteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I actually don't know what the offset is. The tires don't appear to be rubbing on the fenders, though. (Or a least I can't see anywhere they've rubbed on the outside.) I think they're rubbing on the inside.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It should only rub the inside on the front wheels if they're turned all the way full lock, and if the wheel offset is too high (tires too far inwards), but yours don't look like that. Look around the wheel for some writing, maybe on the inside of the wheel and find something like +45 E.T. or something similar. That's the offset. If it's lower than probably 42 then most likely the outside of the tires are scraping on the fender lip when you go around a corner.

 

Well, I went out to the garage and looked for the offset, and had no luck. (I should probably mention that I think the rubbing is happening mostly in back.) Does anyone else know what a Rota GT3's offset is? I didn't ask about it when I bought the wheels, so I couldn't tell you.

 

I'm sure they are available in various offsets. Take a wheel off and look on the insides of the spokes. You should see stampings indicating size, number of lugs and size of bolt circle, and offset, and possibly the center hub bore diameter.

My wheels are 16x7 Rota C-10's also with 205/45 ES100's, and it has never rubbed. I don't know its offset off-hand, though. My car has had various ride heights and the tires have never rubbed at all.

 

Check offset... I have the same wheels before 205/45/16's but my offsets were +40 no rub and I ride pretty low, only thing being messed up is my lower H-bar that I need to take out

 

i believe gt3's are +40

 

The problem is definitely your offset.

It's easy to tell, because the 205/45-17 size you were using is MUCH TOO BIG for a teg. The 205/45-16 is the proper 16" size, and it's a full inch smaller in diameter than the oversized 205/45-17. (Are you sure you weren't using 205/40-17? That's the proper 17" size for a teg.)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sure they are available in various offsets. Take a wheel off and look on the insides of the spokes. You should see stampings indicating size, number of lugs and size of bolt circle, and offset, and possibly the center hub bore diameter.

My wheels are 16x7 Rota C-10's also with 205/45 ES100's, and it has never rubbed. I don't know its offset off-hand, though. My car has had various ride heights and the tires have never rubbed at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I just pulled the wheel, and found a marking reading "40." I'm guessing these are +40.

nsxtasy- The old tires may very well have been a 205/40-17. I don't remember. I sold the wheels and tires to a friend, I'll give him a call and find out.

 

Yep, offset is most likely the problem. Stock 15x6 wheels are +45 offset. So when you put on 7" wheels, you get an extra 1/2" on the inside and outside (12.7mm), then add another 5mm because the center line of the wheels sit 5mm farther out with +40 offset than with +45 offset. So the outside edge of your wheel is 17.7mm farther out (about 3/4") than with stock wheels and tires.

 

Hmm. Sounds like the solution is to swap out these wheels for some with a different offset. Approximately what offset should I be looking for?

 

For 7" wheels something in the 42-45 range.

 

just change your tires to 40 series or have your fenders rolled...

 

Sounds like it is an offset problem, but dont forget about allignment angles. When I first put on 16X7 VOlk TE37's (and spacers to make up the offset difference) with Kumho V710's, 215/40/16, on the front, (autocross tires) they were rubbing in the front on the inside. I had about .10 degrees toe in at that point, and almost zero degrees of negative camber. The street tires (205/40/17 Cooper Zeon on Konig's, stock offset) would occasionally rub there too with the wheel turned to the lock, but the wider autocross tires rubbed more. I re-alligned it with .20-.25 degrees of toe out, and about 1.4-1.5 degrees negative camber, and Im pretty sure the tires have not rubbed anything since.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For 7" wheels something in the 42-45 range.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think 2 mm is going to make much of a difference.

You need to find out where it is rubbing and tell us when....turns or bumps?

 

u have to get 40 series tire 4 it wont rub.

 

Do you have a camber kit on the rear? If so you now have it flush with the rear fender lip. Instead of your tire tucking at an angle(when you had negative camber). It's now going straight up over bumps and hitting the fender lip.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kusyurdaddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u have to get 40 series tire 4 it wont rub.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the exact same tires on the same size wheels as he does, and mine do not rub at all, never have, even when I was slammed. But I don't have any camber kits either.

 

Just thought of something, what are your camber angles with that camber kit you just put on? If it's straight up 0 then I'm guessing that's your problem. Get it adjusted to around -1.5, or just take it off (not really needed anyway) and you'll be fine.

 

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No, you don't have to get a 40 series tire. 205/45-16 will work fine on an Integra. The problem isn't the tire size. It's the offset (unless there is a suspension problem or some other problem).

 

i have the same rims but red, 16x7 205/45 too and its dumped but i dont have camber kits but it doesnt rub. i believe its the camber, give it a little negative to give its angle and it wont rub. cuz im guessing that when i ride it dump with no camber kit its already hella camber and got that angle where it wont rub. so im guessin since u have camber kits just adjust it a little towards the negative so it wont rub.

 

your rear camber kit is to close to stock specs like others had said. my friend had a similiar problem with his ef and 17in whels. just get another alignment and add some rear camber(negative)try not to go over -2 degrees other wise you might run into understeering problems. i ve used offsets of 40-42-45 on hondas and they all work.i have 16 in rotas on my da with 205/45/16 with a 40 offset with no probs. get the alignment it will fix it.

 

i have the same set of rims with the 205/40/16 and they don't rub...

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Modified by sohc_coupe24 at 2:34 PM 7/21/2006