objective: Finding an engine to mate up to my close ratio d-series transmission to put in my 94 vx hatch.

I am interested in a a high revving engine for my hatch. I was going to build a d-series engine. But after months of research, I have concluded that this will not yield what I want.

I have an addiction for high revving power. I have already built a d-series transmission with close-ratio infinitude gears that yield and 80% rpm drop from 2/3/4/5 gears. That means that if I rev to 9000, my rpms will fall to only 7200. This is all going into a 94 cx hatch which weighs near 2100 without driver. Needless to say, I don't need the torque that a larger accord/prelude would require.

I have thought about the f18a crank into a f22 block, however the f18a seems like it will be hard to come across. This leaves me with the f20a/f20b both in the sohc form.

I guess my main question is. On the older f20a engines. Would the deck height be the same as the f22's, yielding me a 1.65ish r/s ratio for the f20a/b's?

I would also be interested in other ways to make high revving power. Yes, I realize how it's probably easier and more beneficial to build a torque monster f/h block. However I have always dreamt of a high-revving close-ratio monster that SCREAMS!

I've talked to bisi about this, he says that the f22 head flows very very well. So it's seems the f22 sohc head has more potential when built, but when we're talking 500 bucks for a f20b (if this sohc "runt" has the 1.65 r/s ratio) then I'd be willing to build it up

 

no idea what you're trying to achive. H or F neither of them is revin engine, just because they're designed so. If you knew how many things were made to the redhead H22 Type S engine to make it just more revvy, you'd forget this F cocktail and started the search of JDM B18C engine. Anyway, bluehead JDM F20B seems the engine you're lookin for. My Russian friends have swaped it in the Ek hatch and results were quite impressive. And one more thing, close-ratio trans is a good idea if you do the track days or autox a lot, everywhere else it's not. Good luck

 

$1800 for a engine that puts down 110wheel tq? I don't think so.

b-series is overrated.

 

110? Nice dynos All you need is redhead H22, yes it's hard to find, but its worth it. JDM F20B swaped Ek with way bigger weight than your car just playes with B16b CTR.

 

retop is pointless.

F20b is a great motor. I dont know many specifications of it, but i know it has damn near the same potential as an H22

 

you're thinking of the f20b dohc.

i'm talking about the f20c sohc

 

You're thinking about the High revvin engine, right? and sohc? That's something new. It's just pointless. Unless you already have the most of parts in your garage. I've also had the idea of destroked 2.1 H22, but found no reasons for it.

 

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do me a favor and GTFO of this thread. You're providing 0 help here.

 

how exactly is this d series tranny going to mate up to any of the engines specified?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vinuneuro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how exactly is this d series tranny going to mate up to any of the engines specified?</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, good call

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vinuneuro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how exactly is this d series tranny going to mate up to any of the engines specified?</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.bisimoto.com/wst_page10.html


here's the transmission I built, since you guys don't seem to take me seriously

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sock gearstack vs mine. now you get an idea why I don't mind having peak high revving hp

 

I dont think anyones doubting thats a bad *** tranny, but how do you plan to physically bolt it up to anything except a d-series?

I thought every series' bolt patterns were different? Well, except F & H anyways.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think anyones doubting thats a bad *** tranny, but how do you plan to physically bolt it up to anything except a d-series?

I thought every series' bolt patterns were different? Well, except F & H anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He provided a link. Read.

 

ahh, gotcha.

 

2 Bense

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just so you know f20's came with four different heads sohc, sohc vtec, dohc, and dohc vtec. if it were me i would deffinatly get the f20b dohc vtec. all the rest of the f20's kinda suck. but the f20b dohc vtec has very strong rods crank revs like crazy from the factory.

but the real good question is why the f#@k don't you just get a b16 swap. what your describing that your want is basically a b16, but i can tell that's not what your gonna want to hear. also look into getting a d15b that is by far the cheapest way to get what your looking for

and yes the deck height is the same between all the f series exept for the s2000 f20c and the f23 and if you really want no torque but a good r/s ratio you could get a d14 crank from asia and put it into a d15b wich has the deck hieght as a d16, and i think i have heard of people using d17 blocks wich have a higher deck hieght than d16's.

also nothin but love for ya bense just tryin to talk some sense in you, and as an owner of a b16b i feel the high revin love


Modified by 4g4drb17 at 4:48 PM 7/9/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4g4drb17 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just so you know f20's came with four different heads sohc, sohc vtec, dohc, and dohc vtec. if it were me i would deffinatly get the f20b dohc vtec. all the rest of the f20's kinda suck. but the f20b dohc vtec has very strong rods crank revs like crazy from the factory.

but the real good question is why the f#@k don't you just get a b16 swap. what your describing that your want is basically a b16, but i can tell that's not what your gonna want to hear. also look into getting a d15b that is by far the cheapest way to get what your looking for

and yes the deck height is the same between all the f series exept for the s2000 f20c and the f23 and if you really want no torque but a good r/s ratio you could get a d14 crank from asia and put it into a d15b wich has the deck hieght as a d16, and i think i have heard of people using d17 blocks wich have a higher deck hieght than d16's.

also nothin but love for ya bense just tryin to talk some sense in you, and as an owner of a b16b i feel the high revin love</TD></TR></TABLE>

very true, however look at the price of b16b swaps. and the fact that I already built a d-series transmission that I'd like to use.

The cost of a b16b swap + close ratio gears is more than a f20b dohc vtec + the h/f2d bisi adapter plate.

At first I wanted a f20a sohc because bisi said that it's superior when modded, but now I'm leaning a more towards a plug & play setup.

F20B DOHC VTEC seems like my best bet.

 

oh, and I already have a mild d15b that I am building for now. But I know that I'll want more in like 6 months lol

 

Are you scrapping the budget build philosophy then? F20B isn't a cheap swap..

I went through all your transmission info and your D build thread. Very very cool stuff and well thought out

 

**** i've seen the f20b dohc vtec longblock on special from a motor importer for 1000.

 

and i have seen f20 dohc motors for 400 i think

 

so is your d15b with those close gears running well. is it pretty quick, whats it like?

 

what?! link please

 

those prices are from like a year and a half ago like i said they were specials.
i'll try to find that company again though

http://www.fnf-motors.com/inde...a.php
1350 long block

http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/codes/hondaF20B2.htm
1700 whole swap

that was just a quick 5 min search


Modified by 4g4drb17 at 5:29 PM 7/9/2006