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i ran on a Dynojet 424X , i hear there are only 5 or 6 in the US - which can do front wheel, back wheel, and 4 wheel drive cars
i hear there is a big differance between this and the 2wheelDrive dynos.

3rd gear run tuned with a vafcII.
mods: check sign

i also put this in the 1/4 thread but i am looking for some feedback instead of just posting and i didn't want to crown up that post.

this is horsepower relative to speed, instead of the normal rpms.

so what does every1 think, i was expecting around 190whp but the tuner said he ran some other ludes with the same mods and had the same results?


thanks



Modified by oranginal at 12:44 AM 7/7/2006

 

no offense, but I have 192 whp and I all I have is i,h,e, and cam gears tuned on a vafc hell I started at 178 whp before tuning

 

What kind of wheels/tires? That does seem a bit low, but if it is matching other ludes with the same mods on the same dyno then there is probably nothing wrong. Thanks for posting your results.

 

get a good engine management and you will see higher numbers. You would also benefit from a custom header (RMF, SMSP) and P&P head.
You really should ditch the VAFCII.


Modified by roller3804 at 2:58 PM 7/6/2006

 

what header do you have?

 

ok guys dynos are not there to compare hp numbers. they are used to tune. you use the hp numbers to see if you are dialing in or out. the weights could be off on the dyno you used. however it it was on a mustang dyno then that is about right but seing that it was on a dyno jet then ya its low. i agree with roller3804 you need something like hondata. i make 172 with an intake, exhaust and hondata s200.

 

you using the raised retainers? If so, did you machine the rocker arms to gain the addition clearance needed to run those retainers?

 

i just wanted to add that we set the VTEC engagement in at 5400 and out at 5300 because it actually gained 2hp over in at 5200 and out at 5100.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you using the raised retainers? If so, did you machine the rocker arms to gain the addition clearance needed to run those retainers?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have the crower spring/retainer, i know sometimes u need to machine the rocker arms but there seemed to be enough clearence, so i did not.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what header do you have?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have the cheap megan header, eventually i will upgrade to a RMF, but i don't have the money right now.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flyrod &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind of wheels/tires? That does seem a bit low, but if it is matching other ludes with the same mods on the same dyno then there is probably nothing wrong. Thanks for posting your results.</TD></TR></TABLE>
stock 15 sawblades, normal tires

i may eventually ditch the VAFCII and get a chipped ECU tuned with crome, but for now i am fine. maybe if it gets stolen i will upgrade.

i know numbers vary on a dyno so i went to the track b4 with just IHE and ran a 14.9, so what can i expect to run with the cams in. i figure that would be the best way to see improvement because i'll have an old time to compare the new time to.

thanks

 

"seemed" and "is" are completely different.

did you even check the clearances with the proper tools? I'm asking this because if you didnt machine the rocker arms and there isnt enough clearance, then you arent getting the full potential of the cam, meaning the valve isnt opening as it should.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oranginal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just wanted to add that we set the VTEC engagement in at 5400 and out at 5300 because it actually gained 2hp over in at 5200 and out at 5100.

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2 things....your vec is set pretty high??? when I got mine tuned it was set for 4600......
2nd ditch the VAFC whay wait for it to get stolen?? sell it to some body and buy an ecu...yeah those numbers are real low....more like respectable B series numbers rather than Respectable H numbers?

 

thanks for the responce.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"seemed" and "is" are completely different.

did you even check the clearances with the proper tools? I'm asking this because if you didnt machine the rocker arms and there isnt enough clearance, then you arent getting the full potential of the cam, meaning the valve isnt opening as it should.</TD></TR></TABLE>

after running the car for a few minutes we took everything off and check the top of the springs/retainers for chips ( i read somewhere that there will be little scrathes and chips on the silver washer piece on top of the springs/retainers if there is a problem with clearence.)

so i guess this could be the problem, but i know that only a few people had to machine the rocker arm so i wasn't expecting that to be a problem unless it was noticable.

what tools are u suppose to use? and is this the same as checking for valve lash?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I got the CD5 Jeebies! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2 things....your vec is set pretty high??? when I got mine tuned it was set for 4600......
2nd ditch the VAFC whay wait for it to get stolen?? sell it to some body and buy an ecu...yeah those numbers are real low....more like respectable B series numbers rather than Respectable H numbers?</TD></TR></TABLE>

do u have a dyno sheet??
, and is it the same basic setup, what hp should i be reaching?

could i just get my ecu chipped and tune with something like crome?

 

i got 182whp with AEM Cai/megan headers/N1, S2 cams gears, Tuned with Vafc2.....at dynojet,,,,,,, maybe yours was done it in a mustangdyno? bigger wheels makes a difference too.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dameltajo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got 182whp with AEM Cai/megan headers/N1, S2 cams gears, Tuned with Vafc2.....at dynojet,,,,,,, maybe yours was done it in a mustangdyno? bigger wheels makes a difference too.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

what did u set ur vtec in at?

i ran on a Dynojet 424X , i hear there are only 5 or 6 in the US - which can do front wheel, back wheel, and 4 wheel drive cars

the tuner had other ludes with the same setup and made the same power, so maybe it is just the dyno, i hope

 

So I don't have a scanner, I tried to use my wal mart digi camera..but the didn't turn out so well sorry...Ill take my dyno sheets to the college tomorrow and scan them..and edit them in this post..so here is what I have......I am using a P28 ECU and Crome.....

200.7 whp
164.8 tq
H22a in a CD-5

Mods are
Modified DC 4-2-1 header...we cut off the 2 1/4 exhaust flange and welded on a ball and socket combo of a 2 1/2 and a 3''
full 3 '' exhaust all the way back
Magnaflow 3'' muff
NGK plugs and wires(not really a mod but w.e)
AEM short ram air intake
P28 ecu chipped with Crome
1 hour of dyno tuning at IntecRacing (thanks chris)
ACT 6 puck extream sprung clutch
ACT 10 lb flywheel
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this was the comparison before the modifacation to the header, new exhaust, and tune
Before 160.2 whp and 132.5 torque
After 200.7 whp and 164.8 torque


Here's me trying to get the whole sheet and the AF ratios in it also lol

 

all these comparisons to what other people did on other days on other dynoes are pretty worthless. its too bad you do not have a baseline of what you made on THAT dyno with stock cams.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I got the CD5 Jeebies! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
this was the comparison before the modifacation to the header, new exhaust, and tune
Before 160.2 whp and 132.5 torque
After 200.7 whp and 164.8 torque</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your numbers are pure BS. Sorry.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by A Blue Lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Your numbers are pure BS. Sorry.</TD></TR></TABLE>

really?? and why would the be???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I got the CD5 Jeebies! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">really?? and why would the be???</TD></TR></TABLE>

Go page through the official dyno thread. Show me a stock internals H22 that is making 165wtq.

Going from stock to intake + header + exhaust (especially a DC) is not going to gain 40whp OR 30wtq. No way.

 

Those dynos are typically low, so don't worry too much. How does the car feel though?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by preludese111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those dynos are typically low, so don't worry too much. How does the car feel though?</TD></TR></TABLE>

car feels strong

once i run a 1/4 mile i will compare my old time to notice true mesurable results.

but does 5400 seem too high for the vtec point?

i had it at 5200 and changing it to 5400 added some hp and helped create a more linear curve. i never tried it below 5000...is this something i should try out or just leave alone?

 

leave it where it is. With upgraded heads, you sometimes have to raise the vtec crossover since the low cam makes more power, longer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oranginal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what did u set ur vtec in at?</TD></TR></TABLE>

5200

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by A Blue Lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Go page through the official dyno thread. Show me a stock internals H22 that is making 165wtq.

Going from stock to intake + header + exhaust (especially a DC) is not going to gain 40whp OR 30wtq. No way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

mine......battle of the Imports is tomorrow here in washington....I didnt have time to scan the sheets....but I now make it my personal goal to prove you wrong...ha ha ha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I got the CD5 Jeebies! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but I now make it my personal goal to prove you wrong...ha ha ha </TD></TR></TABLE>

Still waiting...