So, I'm going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys.
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Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys.
The plans for the car are a tubular manifold, GT40R, 2.2L S2000. The goal is about 750-775whp turbo only. A nice, semi-lightweight, RWD drag/street car is the ultimate goal.
What are the weak points in the S2000? What are the downsides? What will have to be lost/removed? A/C or P/S? How sturdy are the transmissions and drivetrain?
I'm going with the '04+, 2.2L, and sticking with the displacement I get from the bore. No stroking. I thought about a high strung 2.0L, but I think the bigger displacement will help with the daunting task of spooling the turbo.
I haven't seen any high HP S2000s, so I'm trying to get a feel for what's to be expected.
Money is no object. The S2000 is nice, and building another Honda would be ideal. Just trying to see if it would be easier to just buy a C5 Z06, or build a fast S2000.
Anyone with any experience with them would be great.
What are the weak points in the S2000? What are the downsides? What will have to be lost/removed? A/C or P/S? How sturdy are the transmissions and drivetrain?
I'm going with the '04+, 2.2L, and sticking with the displacement I get from the bore. No stroking. I thought about a high strung 2.0L, but I think the bigger displacement will help with the daunting task of spooling the turbo.
I haven't seen any high HP S2000s, so I'm trying to get a feel for what's to be expected.
Money is no object. The S2000 is nice, and building another Honda would be ideal. Just trying to see if it would be easier to just buy a C5 Z06, or build a fast S2000.
Anyone with any experience with them would be great.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (sachse_s2000)
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good luck with ur diff. at 750-775whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never expected to keep the stock diff. That would've been long gone before I even sleeved the motor.
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Heh. We'll see where this goes.
good luck with ur diff. at 750-775whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never expected to keep the stock diff. That would've been long gone before I even sleeved the motor.
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Heh. We'll see where this goes.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (19sec beast)
If MONEY IS NO OBJECT than 700WHP~800WHP is no problem . Just mak sure you bring to the right SHOP and do it right the 1st time.
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Most guys here making alot of HP on s2000's are using skyline r32/r33 diff setups. Diffs are easy retro-fits. Formula is fairly easy, sleeved engine, internals, headwork, manifold turbo, turbo, ECU (autronic make a plugnplay) and diff/gearbox...
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (19sec beast)
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Money is no object. The S2000 is nice, and building another Honda would be ideal. Just trying to see if it would be easier to just buy a C5 Z06, or build a fast S2000.
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Hmmm. What will be harder? Going to a dealership and buying an off the floor Z06, or basically rebuilding an S2000 from the ground up?
If money is no object, I am sure you can think of a way crazier, faster, and different platform to start with.
Money is no object. The S2000 is nice, and building another Honda would be ideal. Just trying to see if it would be easier to just buy a C5 Z06, or build a fast S2000.
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Hmmm. What will be harder? Going to a dealership and buying an off the floor Z06, or basically rebuilding an S2000 from the ground up?
If money is no object, I am sure you can think of a way crazier, faster, and different platform to start with.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (jdmtegra666)
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Hmmm. What will be harder? Going to a dealership and buying an off the floor Z06, or basically rebuilding an S2000 from the ground up?
If money is no object, I am sure you can think of a way crazier, faster, and different platform to start with.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Notice I said a C5 Z06, not a C6. There's about a $30,000 price difference in the two.
And the goal is a fast RWD street/drag car. Money is no object on the S2000 project.
There would be a tighter budget on a C5 Z06 as it's a much more expensive car before mods.
C5 Z06 average price = $32,000.00
S2000 average price = $17,000.00
There's a $15,000.00 price difference in the cars alone. Not to mention insurance, monthly payments, and parts cost difference.
Hmmm. What will be harder? Going to a dealership and buying an off the floor Z06, or basically rebuilding an S2000 from the ground up?
If money is no object, I am sure you can think of a way crazier, faster, and different platform to start with.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Notice I said a C5 Z06, not a C6. There's about a $30,000 price difference in the two.
And the goal is a fast RWD street/drag car. Money is no object on the S2000 project.
There would be a tighter budget on a C5 Z06 as it's a much more expensive car before mods.
C5 Z06 average price = $32,000.00
S2000 average price = $17,000.00
There's a $15,000.00 price difference in the cars alone. Not to mention insurance, monthly payments, and parts cost difference.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (19sec beast)
overall cost for the s2k will be cheaper. and it would be faster if built right
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (19sec beast)
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There would be a tighter budget on a C5 Z06 as it's a much more expensive car before mods.
C5 Z06 average price = $32,000.00
S2000 average price = $17,000.00
There's a $15,000.00 price difference in the cars alone. Not to mention insurance, monthly payments, and parts cost difference. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What part of the country are you from? Here in TN Corvettes are considerably less expensive than you quoted, yes even Z06s, and S2Ks are more so than you quoted.
Why not a regular C5 then turbo - will spank an S2K three ways from sunday - parts are more plentiful and much less expensive and you can keep the stock gearbox and diff. Everything on a vette begs for upgrade - they are all overbuilt considerably - where as it is extremely difficult to eke out any additional performance from an S2K without throwing tons of money at it. But then again, if money is no object, just splurge on a new Porsche turbo or something outrageous like that.
There would be a tighter budget on a C5 Z06 as it's a much more expensive car before mods.
C5 Z06 average price = $32,000.00
S2000 average price = $17,000.00
There's a $15,000.00 price difference in the cars alone. Not to mention insurance, monthly payments, and parts cost difference. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What part of the country are you from? Here in TN Corvettes are considerably less expensive than you quoted, yes even Z06s, and S2Ks are more so than you quoted.
Why not a regular C5 then turbo - will spank an S2K three ways from sunday - parts are more plentiful and much less expensive and you can keep the stock gearbox and diff. Everything on a vette begs for upgrade - they are all overbuilt considerably - where as it is extremely difficult to eke out any additional performance from an S2K without throwing tons of money at it. But then again, if money is no object, just splurge on a new Porsche turbo or something outrageous like that.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (Wilky)
welcome to georgia, where every car is overpriced due to location
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (wantboost)
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What part of the country are you from? Here in TN Corvettes are considerably less expensive than you quoted, yes even Z06s, and S2Ks are more so than you quoted.
Why not a regular C5 then turbo - will spank an S2K three ways from sunday - parts are more plentiful and much less expensive and you can keep the stock gearbox and diff. Everything on a vette begs for upgrade - they are all overbuilt considerably - where as it is extremely difficult to eke out any additional performance from an S2K without throwing tons of money at it. But then again, if money is no object, just splurge on a new Porsche turbo or something outrageous like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As I stated earlier, money is no object on an S2000 build. I don't want to go over about $40,000.00.
I've seen a good amount of stock '00 S2000s going for $15,000-$17,000.00 with above average mileage. Mileage is irrelevant because the entire engine would be reworked.
If the C5 Z06 were being built, I would have to find a decently low mileage C5 because I do not want to open up the bottom end. Decently low mileage C5 Z06s do not sell for less than $30,000.00. This option would not yeild the power the S2000 could make given the same budget.
Again, I'm also factoring in long term costs (insurance, performance parts, insurance, replacing broken parts).
What part of the country are you from? Here in TN Corvettes are considerably less expensive than you quoted, yes even Z06s, and S2Ks are more so than you quoted.
Why not a regular C5 then turbo - will spank an S2K three ways from sunday - parts are more plentiful and much less expensive and you can keep the stock gearbox and diff. Everything on a vette begs for upgrade - they are all overbuilt considerably - where as it is extremely difficult to eke out any additional performance from an S2K without throwing tons of money at it. But then again, if money is no object, just splurge on a new Porsche turbo or something outrageous like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As I stated earlier, money is no object on an S2000 build. I don't want to go over about $40,000.00.
I've seen a good amount of stock '00 S2000s going for $15,000-$17,000.00 with above average mileage. Mileage is irrelevant because the entire engine would be reworked.
If the C5 Z06 were being built, I would have to find a decently low mileage C5 because I do not want to open up the bottom end. Decently low mileage C5 Z06s do not sell for less than $30,000.00. This option would not yeild the power the S2000 could make given the same budget.
Again, I'm also factoring in long term costs (insurance, performance parts, insurance, replacing broken parts).
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (wantboost)
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I can feel you there. The poster needs to keep his eye on classifieds in and around the Bowling Green, Ky area (for obvious reasons). The market is just inundated with clean, low mileage vettes for a song. IE: 99 Z06 for with 30k for around 25, 01s with 45k for 20. No joke.
I can feel you there. The poster needs to keep his eye on classifieds in and around the Bowling Green, Ky area (for obvious reasons). The market is just inundated with clean, low mileage vettes for a song. IE: 99 Z06 for with 30k for around 25, 01s with 45k for 20. No joke.
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I can feel you there. The poster needs to keep his eye on classifieds in and around the Bowling Green, Ky area (for obvious reasons). The market is just inundated with clean, low mileage vettes for a song. IE: 99 Z06 for with 30k for around 25, 01s with 45k for 20. No joke.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I've been looking for a nice C5 Z06 since I finished my LS build.
I'd rather not travel that far to test drive a car that I would potentially not end up buying.
I can feel you there. The poster needs to keep his eye on classifieds in and around the Bowling Green, Ky area (for obvious reasons). The market is just inundated with clean, low mileage vettes for a song. IE: 99 Z06 for with 30k for around 25, 01s with 45k for 20. No joke.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I've been looking for a nice C5 Z06 since I finished my LS build.
I'd rather not travel that far to test drive a car that I would potentially not end up buying.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (Wilky)
Your going to need to do a R200 Nissan rear diff swap to put the power down. Not sure how much power the stock transmission will handle, and I haven't seen anyone build an adapter plate for a TH400--->F20. That would be bullet proof. Not sure if you want to go to an automatic, but that would help the reliability with 700whp. This may not even fit in the trans tunnel.
A GT4088R 1.06 a/r would be a really good start for you. It should get you over 700whp. Talk to Full-race about doing a divided manifold for you that will take advantage of the split scroll turbine housing of the GT40R.
Turbo System:
Full-Race Divided manifold
GT4088r 1.06 A/R
GARRETT 18"x12"x4.5"
4" Exhaust (magnaflow 14163 or burns stainless muffler)
3" Aluminum Intercooler Piping
Full-Race Inlet Manifold
Fuel System:
Dual Bosch 044 fuel pumps
-8 AN feed
-6 AN return
Large fuel Rail
1200cc RC injectors
Weldon FPR
Built Motor:
ERL Sleeved Block
Pauter/Manley/Carillo Rods
CP/Wiseco/JE Pistons
HeadGames Ported Head
Ferrea Valvetrain
ATI harmonic Balancer
Drivertrain:
Tilton MultiDisk Clutch
Nissan Rearend
Driveshaft Shop Driveshafts
Engine Control:
Motec/Autronic/Haltech(Dont use AEM if your serious about reliability)
M&W Pro-14 4 channel CDI box
Mercury Marine Coils
That would be a good start I think....
Heres a real good line regarding the S2K drivetrain.
http://www.driveshaftshop.com/S2000PAGE.ivnu
A GT4088R 1.06 a/r would be a really good start for you. It should get you over 700whp. Talk to Full-race about doing a divided manifold for you that will take advantage of the split scroll turbine housing of the GT40R.
Turbo System:
Full-Race Divided manifold
GT4088r 1.06 A/R
GARRETT 18"x12"x4.5"
4" Exhaust (magnaflow 14163 or burns stainless muffler)
3" Aluminum Intercooler Piping
Full-Race Inlet Manifold
Fuel System:
Dual Bosch 044 fuel pumps
-8 AN feed
-6 AN return
Large fuel Rail
1200cc RC injectors
Weldon FPR
Built Motor:
ERL Sleeved Block
Pauter/Manley/Carillo Rods
CP/Wiseco/JE Pistons
HeadGames Ported Head
Ferrea Valvetrain
ATI harmonic Balancer
Drivertrain:
Tilton MultiDisk Clutch
Nissan Rearend
Driveshaft Shop Driveshafts
Engine Control:
Motec/Autronic/Haltech(Dont use AEM if your serious about reliability)
M&W Pro-14 4 channel CDI box
Mercury Marine Coils
That would be a good start I think....
Heres a real good line regarding the S2K drivetrain.
http://www.driveshaftshop.com/S2000PAGE.ivnu
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (Justin Olson)
Thanks for that post.
I was going to go with Golden Eagle sleeves since I run those on my current car and have heard/seen nothing but great things from them.
As far as the engine internals, I was thinking the same parts for the most part.
My only question being would the M&W COP setup be really necessary or if a standard ignition box would be able to do the trick. I'd also lean more towards the Aeromotive A1000 pump.
Thank you for the advice on the rear end. I'll start the search for one of those.
I was going to go with Golden Eagle sleeves since I run those on my current car and have heard/seen nothing but great things from them.
As far as the engine internals, I was thinking the same parts for the most part.
My only question being would the M&W COP setup be really necessary or if a standard ignition box would be able to do the trick. I'd also lean more towards the Aeromotive A1000 pump.
Thank you for the advice on the rear end. I'll start the search for one of those.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (wantboost)
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Oh and why not go with a ford or vette. punkin if u want a rearend that'll handle that hp. and tq.
Oh and why not go with a ford or vette. punkin if u want a rearend that'll handle that hp. and tq.
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Re: Going to build a turbo S2000. Have a few questions for the F20 guys. (19sec beast)
I'd go with a bosch pump. They are much more reliable then Aeromotive products.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boosted Hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You run an intank pump, and feed the inline pump from the pump in the tank. Its pretty straight forward.
I would not run this set-up for 800whp. Twin Bosch pumps would be my only choice, as they are much more reliable than aermotive pumps and they are really underrated in terms of pressure vs flow charts in comparision to aeromotive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://forums.evans-tuning.com...otive
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boosted Hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You run an intank pump, and feed the inline pump from the pump in the tank. Its pretty straight forward.
I would not run this set-up for 800whp. Twin Bosch pumps would be my only choice, as they are much more reliable than aermotive pumps and they are really underrated in terms of pressure vs flow charts in comparision to aeromotive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://forums.evans-tuning.com...otive
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