I have a 97 SH wit 150,000kms on her. This morning going to work I noticed that putting the car in gear was very hard to do. I can get into 1, 2, 3, haven't tried 4 or 5 but its real hard to get into gear. Never experienced this before.

What do you guys suggest I look at? Could the tranny fluid be low or how about the tranny mount? What else I can look at?

 

How long since you changed the tranny fluid?

 

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I haven't?

Is that a bad thing. I really hope its low. I don't know if there is a place I can check that though. My old toyota had no way to check other than draining the fluids. You know how to check the levels, is there a container under the hood that I can look at?

I'm going out at lunch to see what the deal is, Ill start it up and see how changing gears is again.

 

it's probably gonna be the same....buy 4 quarts of Honda MTF and flush and change the fluid...check for a coppery like sheen in your Tranny fluid that'll be piece of the syncros breaking off the dog house..you grind gears alot??? change your fluid and hope that's the problem good luck

 

My guess would be the clutch. Original?

Does the car shift fine when the car is off?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I got the CD5 Jeebies! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's probably gonna be the same....buy 4 quarts of Honda MTF and flush and change the fluid...check for a coppery like sheen in your Tranny fluid that'll be piece of the syncros breaking off the dog house..you grind gears alot??? change your fluid and hope that's the problem good luck </TD></TR></TABLE>


I dont grind gears as in misshift or anything but I do have a synchro going in 5th. I dont go into 5th very often though. I'll replace the fluid and see what happens.

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Does the car shift fine when the car is off?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yup, original clutch. And you know what? I did notice a bit of a softness yesterday in the feel of the clutch, the throw of the pedal almost seemed shorter and softer. I thought about it and then I went to second and hammered down but no slippage so I don't know.

Im checking the car in about 10 mins. I'll check the shifter when the car is off and then when its on to see if there is still problems. I'll keep you updated.

I just hope is something minor.

Thanks for the input guys!

 

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Yup, original clutch. And you know what? I did notice a bit of a softness yesterday in the feel of the clutch, the throw of the pedal almost seemed shorter and softer. I thought about it and then I went to second and hammered down but no slippage so I don't know.

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you know that might be your problem...or the bigger part of your problem......a worn pressure plate, cracks in the flywheel, broken springs..will cause the pedale to feel soft and grind sometime occasionally and frequently....

 

Slippage is not the only tell tale sign of a bad clutch.

If I were you, I would do the following:
-Change tranny fluid (10w30 engine oil. 1.9 quarts)
-Completely change the clutch fluid

I am still a strong believer in a bad clutch.

 

[QUOTE=AndyD]Slippage is not the only tell tale sign of a bad clutch.
-Change tranny fluid (10w30 engine oil. 1.9 quarts)
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no use Honda MTF...4 quarts...2 to flush it out...2 to fill it up...

 

You don't need to buy 4 quarts of Honda MTF. Like AndyD said, the capacity is only 1.9. I've never heard of using an extra 2 qts to flush it out.

Even if there's something wrong with your clutch or hydraulic system, it's still a good idea to change your tranny fluid.

 

I asked him if he grinded any gears..pieces of that **** stays in the tranny unless you try to flush it out...I was jsut trying to give him some pice of mind methods thats all.......the tranny holds mildly less than 2 quarts..I reccomend the Honda MTF because it has an additive in it to help lube the syncros..but hey that my 2 cents...im done

 

the clutch master cyl and slave cyl may also be the culprit.

 

Well guys I just came back and with the car off the shifter goes into gear with no probs. It seems that its a little louder when I do put it in gear but I cant really tell.

With the car on is a different story. I cannot get it to go into gear right away, I have to try a few times and then it will go in but not nicely. It feels real notchy and clunky when its going in the gear I chose.

Is there an easy way to see if the fluid levels are low in the tranny?

Thanks again for all your advice. I need to get this fixed asap.

 

I doubt the fluid would be low - just old. But either way, just change it. It's a cheap maintanence item that helps a very expensive part go a long way.

 

Oh, check this out too. Take the flywheel cover plate off and see if you find a spring laying in there. It's on the bottom of the tranny where the tranny mounts to the block.

The reason why I think it is the clutch is because my clutch went bad. My car had 156K miles at the time. It dodn't slip at all. However, sometimes it would block me out of shifting gears, other times it would get stuck in gear.

 

I really hope I can just change the fluids and it will fix this. For some reason I dont think it will with the luck I get but well see.

Any suggestions on a clutch if I need to get that replaced? OEM?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, check this out too. Take the flywheel cover plate off and see if you find a spring laying in there. It's on the bottom of the tranny where the tranny mounts to the block.

The reason why I think it is the clutch is because my clutch went bad. My car had 156K miles at the time. It dodn't slip at all. However, sometimes it would block me out of shifting gears, other times it would get stuck in gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

okay Ill try that too. Is there instructions on how to do this in the service manual?


EDIT: okay, for some reason the car is shifting fine now. I don't get it. I purged the clutch and filled it up with dot3 brake fluid. I didn't notice any real difference but I'm just going to wait and see what happens before I anything else.

Andy: Did you experience anything like that before your clutch went? I just don't get why this morning I was fucked and now I'm fine.


Modified by CAN97SH at 5:55 PM 6/22/2006

 

Still running good. I went through all the gears today and it still feels fine. This is weird.

 

Can,

With the clutch, really anything can happen. It won't be a consistent issue either. When I had my clutch issue, the car would run PERFECTLY fine for a week or two. Then, all of the sudden, it would get stuck in gear, or not let me go into gear.

If you are around the mileage to change the clutch, I think it might be your best best. Bleeding the clutch fluid and changing the tranny fluid are all part of a clutch change anyway.

As for clutches, I would go with an Exedy OEM clutch. I got mine from ClutchCityOnline for $120 shipped. Excellent clutch.

 

Okay, well Ill have to look into that clutch then. What do you think about the flywheel, is that recommended to change the same time as the clutch?

That sucks about the intermittent issues with the clutch though. Is that a known issue with these clutches or is that just a natural sigh on wear? I was hoping is was some freak occurrence there but I guess there's no logic in that so

Thanks alot for the help. - yes its my day off!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CAN97SH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Okay, well Ill have to look into that clutch then. What do you think about the flywheel, is that recommended to change the same time as the clutch?

That sucks about the intermittent issues with the clutch though. Is that a known issue with these clutches or is that just a natural sigh on wear? I was hoping is was some freak occurrence there but I guess there's no logic in that so

Thanks alot for the help. - yes its my day off! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Mine issue with my clutch was due to a spring popping out of the clutch disk. When the spring popped out, the clutch disk warped.

I can't think of any other reason why you're having problems getting into get. Synchros do not sound like the problem to me. VERY rare for more than one to go bad.

If you want to see if you can resolve the issue, like I said, try changing the tranny oil, bleed the clutch fluid (very similar to how you beel brake fluid). Also, check to make sure the tranny cables are not inhibited. Make sure they are free flowing. If neither of these attempts fix the issue, I would think it is the clutch. I still think it is the clutch. LOL

Good luck, man.

 

In my experience out door temp can also effect the behavior of the clutch, has the temp change siginifigantly over the last few days?

 

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Mine issue with my clutch was due to a spring popping out of the clutch disk. When the spring popped out, the clutch disk warped.

I can't think of any other reason why you're having problems getting into get. Synchros do not sound like the problem to me. VERY rare for more than one to go bad.

If you want to see if you can resolve the issue, like I said, try changing the tranny oil, bleed the clutch fluid (very similar to how you beel brake fluid). Also, check to make sure the tranny cables are not inhibited. Make sure they are free flowing. If neither of these attempts fix the issue, I would think it is the clutch. I still think it is the clutch. LOL

Good luck, man. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool man, I'll try out your suggestions and well see what happens. If I have to replace the clutch I might as well get a flywheel too. Nothing crazy, something along the lines of 12lbs, maybe 11.

The tranny is fine I think other than 5th gear grinds a bit at higher rpm's. Normal driving is pretty smooth.

I have no mods and was planning on getting some suspension in the near future but I'm having some front caliper problems, some swaybar end links and possibly the inner tie rod ends. Ive already replaced the upper control arms w/balljoints, outer tie rod ends, and 2 endlinks. Oh and one wheel bearing in the rear.

I bought this car juuuust in time for all its regular scheduled maintenance work

I wonder what will be next¿

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It was a bit cool, but its warm out here so there temps have been consistent. I've driven her all last winter in -45C weather. I hated every bump in the snowy roads due to the horrible clunking of the endlinks, and all bushings from being frozen.

 

Nice lookin' garage (the contents I mean).

 

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yea that's my room mates. 05 2.5RS. It's actually just a regular car, nothing special really. It IS fun in the winter though, spins like a top and you can slide around forever as long as the space is provided.