How low can you go without having to have camber kits and all that stuff? I want to be about 2 or so, 1.8 all around. Is that low enough to need a camber kit and stuff?

Mike

 

you can go as low as u want without one, but if you dont have a camber kit then your inside part of your tire will get worn down, and the wheels wont be straight they'll be in at an angle almost, i suggest buy a cheap camberkit.

 

I'm slammed 3.5" all around and I don't have a camber kit. My tires are like this all around: | |

 

how do you even get around town...thats retardedly low..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mikeunreal2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you even get around town...thats retardedly low..</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2. unless he drives a truck

 

huh, lol. So what all do you guys suggest? is it really worth gettin koni yellows if im not running coilovers and just progressive springs like tein or h&r?

Mike

Also, how is kyb, tokico, etc...

 

I've had a couple of suspensions on my 93 civic hatch. First, I had some Tenzo R coilovers on stock struts. All of the struts blew and the ride was complete ***. Now I have Tokiko Blue struts and Skunk 2 coilovers and its about 2.5" lower. It used to be about 3.5" but it rode rough and I drug my exhaust EVERYWHERE! Then I got a good exhaust and I couldn't see myself dragging that

Back to the question, its been my experience that struts AND spring/coilovers matter. Im sure if I had some Tien it would ride a lot better, but again, I'm no expert.

About the camber kit, when I didnt have one I wore my tires out quickly... really quickly. I had about 3 degrees of negative camber. I got some "knuckle" type in the front and washers in the rear, perfect! My tires wear evenly now I wouldn't lower a Civic without some type of camber correction.

 

There are many different set up which means many different geometrys, its tough to predict. Get the set up you want and then when you are done, check the camber and alignment, and adjust it accordingly.

 

I have a 98 hatch with 17's and though its not lowered, i needed a camber kit to correct the negative camber. If you decide to buy a camber, skunk2 works perfect. Although its a little bit pricey, its definitely worth the money. just make sure you get the pro series with +-5 degrees if you decide to lower around 2 inches and have bigger wheels. it makes a huge difference in performance

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM-EJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm slammed 3.5" all around and I don't have a camber kit. My tires are like this all around: | | </TD></TR></TABLE>

and this was for 2 days?

u slam ur car 3.5", ur gonna have inside tire wear...

 

i have heard repeatedly that if you lower your car 2 inches or less then you dont need a camber kit - just a good alignment is very crucial...

if you go past 2 inches, then a camber kit is needed...

i suggest lowering your car about 1.8 - 2 inches and getting an alignment and trying that out for a little while. if you see that your tires are really starting to wear unevenly then invest in a camber kit but i dont think youll need one if you get it aligned

thats my $0.02

 

Toe chews tires up, not camber.

 

well if u generalize it they both expletive tires up, camber just wears the inside more if not adjusted properly

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jaybmoc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have heard repeatedly that if you lower your car 2 inches or less then you dont need a camber kit - just a good alignment is very crucial...

if you go past 2 inches, then a camber kit is needed...

i suggest lowering your car about 1.8 - 2 inches and getting an alignment and trying that out for a little while. if you see that your tires are really starting to wear unevenly then invest in a camber kit but i dont think youll need one if you get it aligned

thats my $0.02</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what im planning to do with a 1.75" drop

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jaybmoc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have heard repeatedly that if you lower your car 2 inches or less then you dont need a camber kit - just a good alignment is very crucial...

if you go past 2 inches, then a camber kit is needed...

i suggest lowering your car about 1.8 - 2 inches and getting an alignment and trying that out for a little while. if you see that your tires are really starting to wear unevenly then invest in a camber kit but i dont think youll need one if you get it aligned

thats my $0.02</TD></TR></TABLE>

my thoughts exactly you stole the words out my mouth isnt that a crime but i also had hr race springs which is a 2.5 drop in the front and rode around for 1 year now and no inside tire wear alignments are key here.

 

yeah, the toe does chew up your tires, but i had the toe adjusted as much as possible and it made my car completely handle different. once i put the camber kit on, the toe was correct and so was the alignment, and thus my car handled better b/c the patch of tire hitting the ground was greater

 

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Wrong. You obviously have no experience with alignments.

 

Most reputable shops that do alignments will include a camber kit if needed when they do the alignment. The last 2 shops I worked at did and so does the one I plan to work at soon. Most cases it comes with the alignment cost. If you go to the trouble to lower your car and it ending up needing one (as some lower kits will require them) why not spend the $$ so you dont end up more $$ just to keep your tires in good shape?

 

Whether needing a camber kit or not should become an issue when you would run 3.0 degrees or more in my opinion. But by then, you are probably so low that the car wouldn't even be streetable. If you say that camber wears your tires you are WRONG. Yes sir, go read some books and come back to us with some knowledge. Until then get the expletive out.

I am lowered about 2" and I have no camber kit. I have been lowered for about a year, but I used my knowledge of alignment and got it aligned right away and set my toe to 0. (actually ~0.02) And that's having 1.5 degrees in the front and I did the washer trick in the back, resulting in 0 camber, but this is not needed. Tire wear is perfect

 

doesnt matter if u can get an alignment wid ur car lowered then you be all set it ll set everything some ppl think dat u raise it up and lower it back down after u do the alignment theres no point it throws it right back off i mean to save the hastle and every grab camber kits doesnt need to be aftermarket either go to ur nearest like mechanic shop and ask dem for like the adustable ball joint helps the cambers too they have all that stuff js not brand name works the same way

 

I mean, jesus...

You guys don't know that some camber is actually good? Look at sports cars.

 

sorry to somewhat jump in BUT if you just put on bigger rims do you need alignment?
im hoping to find some 17s but would hate buying rims and finding out i gotta spend more money after the tires wear bad....

tho instead of drop i wanna bag the car BUT that will take awhile to get $$ for them!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast95eg8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes sir, go read some books and come back to us with some knowledge.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Forget reading books and web forums. EXPERIENCE with operating an alignment rack and running various alignment settings has proven to me that most people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to alignments.

 

I roll with 2.5 skunk2 on gr2's and ive had two sets of tires on the car in 2.5 years...its not bad at all

 

ihave heard if you have deep rims then you relly dont need one because it evens it self out