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Re: LS POLL (hondacuraLs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondacuraLs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do u think about the b20 swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
just a plain b20 no all you will get is a little bit of low end torque. if you go b20 you should put vtec along w/ it. but id go boost
just a plain b20 no all you will get is a little bit of low end torque. if you go b20 you should put vtec along w/ it. but id go boost
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i have an RS, so i'll consider myself under the "LS" realm.
i said LS w/ bolt ons because i don't think the car's worth dumping a whole lot of money into.
here are my thoughts:
<u>GS-R Swap:</u> unless you can get the engine for cheap and there's minimal maintainance to the engine then it's not worth the cost. You'll lose resale value and you'll have about the same specs as a GS-R without the value of one. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it. You might as well sell your LS/RS and buy a GS-R.
<u>B18C5 Swap:</u> Excellent motor - rare and expensive, usually hacked or beaten to hell though. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it.
<u>Stock Engine with Boost:</u> really cool, nice pick-up for a different feel. Losing the reliability of the LS, but picking up a unique and fun modification. i like this, but it's costly. I'd do it if i knew the car's history and had the <u>extra</u> cash.
<u>LS w/Bolt-ons:</u> keeping the reliability, still fun to drive, maintaining the practicality (mainly fuel economy) and re-sale value if you put the stock parts back on before the sale - could also sell the used parts for money. smartest financial move for the car, but not quite the fast car you wish it was - still cool for everyday driving though.
in the end i'd rather keep most of my money and save for a nicer car in the future or use it for other things. you'll put the bolt-on's even with a swap and the stock B18b is still a nice engine.
i said LS w/ bolt ons because i don't think the car's worth dumping a whole lot of money into.
here are my thoughts:
<u>GS-R Swap:</u> unless you can get the engine for cheap and there's minimal maintainance to the engine then it's not worth the cost. You'll lose resale value and you'll have about the same specs as a GS-R without the value of one. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it. You might as well sell your LS/RS and buy a GS-R.
<u>B18C5 Swap:</u> Excellent motor - rare and expensive, usually hacked or beaten to hell though. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it.
<u>Stock Engine with Boost:</u> really cool, nice pick-up for a different feel. Losing the reliability of the LS, but picking up a unique and fun modification. i like this, but it's costly. I'd do it if i knew the car's history and had the <u>extra</u> cash.
<u>LS w/Bolt-ons:</u> keeping the reliability, still fun to drive, maintaining the practicality (mainly fuel economy) and re-sale value if you put the stock parts back on before the sale - could also sell the used parts for money. smartest financial move for the car, but not quite the fast car you wish it was - still cool for everyday driving though.
in the end i'd rather keep most of my money and save for a nicer car in the future or use it for other things. you'll put the bolt-on's even with a swap and the stock B18b is still a nice engine.
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Ok, all of these points are very logical, and I concur.
......But.....
<U>Ls b00sted:</U> " really cool, nice pick-up for a different feel. Losing the reliability of the LS, but picking up a unique and fun modification. i like this, but it's costly. I'd do it if i knew the car's history and had the extra cash."
With going turbo on an ls motor and being sensible in regards to how much Psi you chose to run and how the setup is tuned you can still maintain a very good level of reliablity. As for bolt-ons vs. Saving money and maintaining the value of the car for re-sale, given the fact that a properly tuned b00sted ls is reliable; bolt-ons and the cost of the parts:power ratio is not a viable decision.
...But...
With the constant and consistent rise of Gas prices, it is probably cheaper to do basic bolt-ons and have a nice daily driver (if that's what you're looking for). I VOTED BOOST.
......But.....
<U>Ls b00sted:</U> " really cool, nice pick-up for a different feel. Losing the reliability of the LS, but picking up a unique and fun modification. i like this, but it's costly. I'd do it if i knew the car's history and had the extra cash."
With going turbo on an ls motor and being sensible in regards to how much Psi you chose to run and how the setup is tuned you can still maintain a very good level of reliablity. As for bolt-ons vs. Saving money and maintaining the value of the car for re-sale, given the fact that a properly tuned b00sted ls is reliable; bolt-ons and the cost of the parts:power ratio is not a viable decision.
...But...
With the constant and consistent rise of Gas prices, it is probably cheaper to do basic bolt-ons and have a nice daily driver (if that's what you're looking for). I VOTED BOOST.
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Re: LS POLL (hondacuraLs)
fawk resale and gas savings arguements. 
If you want something good on gas, get a prius. If you want good resale, well you should have bought a 1970 Chevelle SS 454
You only live once, go boost. Either run low psi and a good tune, or build the motor slightly and run more boost.
Myself, I voted for LS+Boost cause I'm going Full Race Stage 2 ASAP!!
If you want something good on gas, get a prius. If you want good resale, well you should have bought a 1970 Chevelle SS 454
You only live once, go boost. Either run low psi and a good tune, or build the motor slightly and run more boost.
Myself, I voted for LS+Boost cause I'm going Full Race Stage 2 ASAP!!
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Re: (Sijray21)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sijray21 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have an RS, so i'll consider myself under the "LS" realm.
i said LS w/ bolt ons because i don't think the car's worth dumping a whole lot of money into.
here are my thoughts:
<u>GS-R Swap:</u> unless you can get the engine for cheap and there's minimal maintainance to the engine then it's not worth the cost. You'll lose resale value and you'll have about the same specs as a GS-R without the value of one. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it. You might as well sell your LS/RS and buy a GS-R.
<u>B18C5 Swap:</u> Excellent motor - rare and expensive, usually hacked or beaten to hell though. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it.
<u>Stock Engine with Boost:</u> really cool, nice pick-up for a different feel. Losing the reliability of the LS, but picking up a unique and fun modification. i like this, but it's costly. I'd do it if i knew the car's history and had the <u>extra</u> cash.
<u>LS w/Bolt-ons:</u> keeping the reliability, still fun to drive, maintaining the practicality (mainly fuel economy) and re-sale value if you put the stock parts back on before the sale - could also sell the used parts for money. smartest financial move for the car, but not quite the fast car you wish it was - still cool for everyday driving though.
in the end i'd rather keep most of my money and save for a nicer car in the future or use it for other things. you'll put the bolt-on's even with a swap and the stock B18b is still a nice engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Truer words are never spoken.
This is what you need to do.
i said LS w/ bolt ons because i don't think the car's worth dumping a whole lot of money into.
here are my thoughts:
<u>GS-R Swap:</u> unless you can get the engine for cheap and there's minimal maintainance to the engine then it's not worth the cost. You'll lose resale value and you'll have about the same specs as a GS-R without the value of one. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it. You might as well sell your LS/RS and buy a GS-R.
<u>B18C5 Swap:</u> Excellent motor - rare and expensive, usually hacked or beaten to hell though. Unless you're keeping the car forever, not worth it.
<u>Stock Engine with Boost:</u> really cool, nice pick-up for a different feel. Losing the reliability of the LS, but picking up a unique and fun modification. i like this, but it's costly. I'd do it if i knew the car's history and had the <u>extra</u> cash.
<u>LS w/Bolt-ons:</u> keeping the reliability, still fun to drive, maintaining the practicality (mainly fuel economy) and re-sale value if you put the stock parts back on before the sale - could also sell the used parts for money. smartest financial move for the car, but not quite the fast car you wish it was - still cool for everyday driving though.
in the end i'd rather keep most of my money and save for a nicer car in the future or use it for other things. you'll put the bolt-on's even with a swap and the stock B18b is still a nice engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Truer words are never spoken.
This is what you need to do.
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Re: (ThePro)
An LS with a GSR swap is a sleeper, less likely to get stolen, lower insurance rates, and a blast to drive. No negatives but the initial cost.
LSVTEC built right is a great option, will need a short geared tranny tho.
Built LS isn't one of your options, but building the LS and adding a short-geared tranny will make for some frustated VTEC owners on race day. Plus, 404's camming out sounds real nice.
This is the option I am going with, building the B18A. After I get used to the power and I want more, I will swap the high-compression pistons for some forged units a little lower in compression and boost it. The 404's are great for boost and the header will be the only part that won't swap, so I will only buy a ITR 4-1 for cheap and sell it for close to what I pay for it later when I go boost.
Good luck on whatever you decide, and if you want to see some non vtec power:
http://www.tuneruniversity.com...board/
LSVTEC built right is a great option, will need a short geared tranny tho.
Built LS isn't one of your options, but building the LS and adding a short-geared tranny will make for some frustated VTEC owners on race day. Plus, 404's camming out sounds real nice.
This is the option I am going with, building the B18A. After I get used to the power and I want more, I will swap the high-compression pistons for some forged units a little lower in compression and boost it. The 404's are great for boost and the header will be the only part that won't swap, so I will only buy a ITR 4-1 for cheap and sell it for close to what I pay for it later when I go boost.
Good luck on whatever you decide, and if you want to see some non vtec power:
http://www.tuneruniversity.com...board/
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Re: LS POLL (hondacuraLs)
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Re: LS POLL (rdssk8rcs1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rdssk8rcs1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbo and then throw a shorter gear tranny in it </TD></TR></TABLE>
My opinion bad idea, unless you like shifting like 5 times in 5 seconds. Or you go with a hydro GSR tranny?
</TD></TR></TABLE>My opinion bad idea, unless you like shifting like 5 times in 5 seconds. Or you go with a hydro GSR tranny?
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Re: LS POLL (Blu99teg)
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My opinion bad idea, unless you like shifting like 5 times in 5 seconds. Or you go with a hydro GSR tranny?</TD></TR></TABLE>
guess you just like being overall slower? i guess the shifting for him is worth the faster ET
oh and...your opinion is just dead wrong
My opinion bad idea, unless you like shifting like 5 times in 5 seconds. Or you go with a hydro GSR tranny?</TD></TR></TABLE>
guess you just like being overall slower? i guess the shifting for him is worth the faster ET
oh and...your opinion is just dead wrong
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shutupnskate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boosting your car is easily the cheapest way to get a great deal more hp </TD></TR></TABLE>
you sould just stop boost is the most expensive out of all of them
</TD></TR></TABLE> you sould just stop boost is the most expensive out of all of them
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondacuraLs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you sould just stop boost is the most expensive out of all of them </TD></TR></TABLE>
What?! I don't think so man.
you sould just stop boost is the most expensive out of all of them </TD></TR></TABLE>
What?! I don't think so man.
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i would only go vtec if you found all the parts cheap...cause now since vtec hybrids are popular the parts are expensive... i rmemember back in the day you could get a gsr head for 200 or less... now its like 400 and up. rediculous...
but i have chosen the b20. and a turbo.
mounted with a gsr tranny.
so my vote goes to ls turbo. cause for the cost of a gsr swap you could have a pretty sweet turbo setup...
and for the cost of a type r swap... well you could have a bad *** turbo setup... or a good turbo setup and a nice looking car.
but i have chosen the b20. and a turbo.
mounted with a gsr tranny.
so my vote goes to ls turbo. cause for the cost of a gsr swap you could have a pretty sweet turbo setup...
and for the cost of a type r swap... well you could have a bad *** turbo setup... or a good turbo setup and a nice looking car.
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Re: (hondacuraLs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondacuraLs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you sould just stop boost is the most expensive out of all of them </TD></TR></TABLE>
you can piece together a turbo kit for less than the price of a gsr swap, type r swap, or even a good ls-vtec. hell you could even buy a full turbo kit for around the price of a gsr swap
boost <U>is the single best way to gain a lot of hp buck for buck</U>
you sould just stop boost is the most expensive out of all of them </TD></TR></TABLE>
you can piece together a turbo kit for less than the price of a gsr swap, type r swap, or even a good ls-vtec. hell you could even buy a full turbo kit for around the price of a gsr swap
boost <U>is the single best way to gain a lot of hp buck for buck</U>