ok so here is the deal. with my b16 head on my gsr block i am having serious issues with the header clearing the bottom of the oil pan.. i have a DC 4 to 1 and it would not clear enough to let me bolt the header up tightly.. so i bought a JDM itr 4 to 1 and it doesn't either... i am left wiht two options.. 1 is to heat the header and squish the tubes in about 1/4 inch to get it to clear. or heat them at the bend and make them angle less.. OR i culd modify the oil pan.. which one should i do.. any help would be great..

 

Bro your header is all about flow, I would never consider crushing it in because you disrupt the air flow. Disrupted flow = less power and then your left to wonder why you bought an aftermarket header in the first place... It might work unbending it a bit; however, if it were me Id just buy/fab a new oil pan.

 

I don't see why it wouldn't. What you have is a Poorman's R, and that header is off an R.

 

strange, I though the ITR header fit on everything?

You sure its not a copy made for a B16 or something?

 

See, that's what I'm saying. My ITR fits my B16 perfectly

 

If it's a real jdm header then it will clear the gsr block. did you buy some knock-off or something?

 

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yes its real and it will clear a gsr oil pan.. but NOT with a b16 head on it.. the b16 head is alot taller than the gsr head though.. so it will not allow it to clear .

it is NOT a real JDM itr header strait from honda , its a knockoff itr header but it is the one made for the itr motor.. so im not going to blame this on the header being cheap. my DC was not chead and it would go on the motor but it was pushing against the oil pan so i sold it.. now this one is exactly the same way pretty much..

hey guys im sorry its not a pro fab or a hytech but im not about to buy one of those when i can't guarantee that it will even fit my motor, i just want to modify this one a little and get it to fit , i would not consider it a big deal if i were to UN-bend it a little bit and then put a nice smooth socket dent in in 1 or 2 places to give it clearance...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow91crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the b16 head is alot taller than the gsr head though </TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh really?? Who told ya that one?

 

ok well go ahead and prove me wrong. i read it somewhere on this stupid *** site! lol
you are not helping this thread any smart ***. your information has been useless and has not led me any closer towards a solution to my problem.
either be useful or stop posting.

 

I think you may be getting the B16B and B16A blocks mixed up. The B16A and B18C1 and B18C5 heads are the same height.

 

i just found that out. damn search.. BUT the b18c- blocks and the b16a blocks have different deck height.. so a header made for a b16 will not clear the pan on a b18c1 or c5..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow91crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> so a header made for a b16 will not clear the pan on a b18c1 or c5..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, almost everyone in here has already established that.

Thats why we're saying, you probably have a fake/copy ITR header made for a B16 (like a Megan or Street Import)

 

yeah pretty much...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow91crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok well go ahead and prove me wrong. i read it somewhere on this stupid *** site! lol
you are not helping this thread any smart ***. your information has been useless and has not led me any closer towards a solution to my problem.
either be useful or stop posting. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Whoa whoa whoa there sancho! I'm not helping this thread because what you're saying does not make sense. The heads are the same in height, therfor, if a head was designed to fit a B18 block height, why wouldn't it fit your gsr? Just because it has a B16 head on it doesn't make a ****** difference. MY information is useless?? You're the one posting false information! And who the **** are you telling me to quit posting?? You ****** newb, go ahead and be an *** about everything and see how many people try to help you out...****** clown.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow91crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so a header made for a b16 will not clear the pan on a b18c1 or c5..</TD></TR></TABLE>

A TYPE R HEADER IS NOT MADE TO FIT A B16 DUMBASS, IT'S MADE TO FIT A B18! DAMNIT, again...

 

Just let his dumbass get banned. Asshat Hell, I'll help you out

 

huh,a type r header will fit a b16,a b16 header will not fit a type r though, no b16 specific header will fit a b18 but all the b18 headers will fit a b16,confused yet

 

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Being helpful, are you?

 

its a true statement just came out a lil funny,lol

 

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thats what i was saying but for some reason people kept quoting half my sentence and making my statement look like i was asking a question...

my whole point of saying what i said to clean rice was because he wasn't paying attention to my statements or even to my question.. he was trying to tell me my b18 header is a b16 header when that would be specified when i bought it.

it specified 96-97 jdm itr header on the recipt when i bought it.

therefore i have come to the conclusion that the poor build quality of the header is why it does not fit well on my motor.

my initial question was about weather i should modify the header slightly or modify the oil pan slightly. and after talking to a few different people who were very helpful, i ahve decided that a slight mod to the oil pan is the way to go.

thanks for the help everybody. and sorry for the confusion, posting in a big hurry while at work is kinda difficult!!

 

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my whole point of saying what i said to clean rice was because he wasn't paying attention to my statements or even to my question.. he was trying to tell me my b18 header is a b16 header when that would be specified when i bought it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it's a real jdm header then it will clear the gsr block. Did you buy some knock-off or something?</TD></TR></TABLE>

How do you see where I said you have a B16 header? I asked you <U>one</U> question, thats all, then you made this statement:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow91crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the b16 head is alot taller than the gsr head though.. so it will not allow it to clear .
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Obviously that is wrong, you were corrected, and then attacked me for doing so. I believe you were WAY out of line and should apologize. I was on my way to helping you, but you called me out and thats your bad.

 

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How do you see where I said you have a B16 header? I asked you <U>one</U> question, thats all, then you made this statement:

Obviously that is wrong, you were corrected, and then attacked me for doing so. I believe you were WAY out of line and should apologize. I was on my way to helping you, but you called me out and thats your bad. </TD></TR></TABLE>

you came back with a remark that seemed like you were just out here to be in a post and not to actually help. i guess i was wrong tho man. sorry

i didn't mean to be a dick about it but i THOUGHT i was right, i looked into it a little more and aparantly i was wrong and the two heads have the same measurements.
sorry man. shouldn't ave blown up like wo.

anyhow i am going to tap a little 1/4" dent in my oil pan ( on the shallow spot) and be done with it. the header will still be close so i think im going to wrap it so i don't heat my oil up like crazy having such little clearance betweeen the header and the pan..

 

Thankyou.

 

i have a similar issue, only thing is i need to bend my header no matter what, screw flow, i have a huge leak because my collector is aimed up. Can i bend it down by just running the engine hard for a while, then getting under the car, and pulling it down with some chains?

 

i had a similar problem with my DC4-1...i didnt know it was for a b16 until i tried to fit it on my gsr motor. i didnt wanna dent my oil pan so i just went with a cheap &lt;megan header for now