I'm in the midst of building a d16a6 i have lying around for boost, and I'm at fork in the building process -- Supercharged or Turbo?

Obviously Turbo is the most popular, but its a street driven car, and I'd like the even, all-around power from the Supercharger. Any suggestions? Ideas? Experience?

 

ive done both, i really like superchargers now.

its harder to make the high hp...... but in a way, its more fun to reach it with the underdog setup.

there is a thread you should read.....

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1613926

 

definatly made my decision for me with that article you wrote. Thanks!

 

i have a page cut out of a hot rod magazine, its an 89 si with a d16a6 with the endyn (i believe thats the correct spelling) supercharger making 487 reliable horsepower, or so he says. he claims he uses it for work, delivering wood for home depot. im out of town, but when i get back, ill look for it and try to post it up.

 

you can still find it on the net..... it is the OLD endyn setup.


yes, its possible to make 300-400hp on a sohc nonvtec with that supercharger, but trust me, and a few of the other people on h-t that are planning on, or have already purchased the bulk of it...... it isnt cheap.

 

im running a D16A6 with a jackson racing supercharger, it's more fun than I could have imagined. The endyn article can be found at http://www.theoldone.com I plan on sending my supercharger to him for the rebuild soon.

 

for street driven its definetly better for an SC. or so my experience has been. less potential for higher HP yes but fun and reliable non the less. a single cam with a jackson racing SC will more than snap you back in the seat... good luck bro...

 

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I dont think it makes 487 hp. Its claimed to make that and there is no dyno sheet to back it up. A while ago there was a video of this car and it didnt move like a 400+ whp honda.

 

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I dont think it makes 487 hp. Its claimed to make that and there is no dyno sheet to back it up. A while ago there was a video of this car and it didnt move like a 400+ whp honda.

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i believe the sheet is on their website. i personally know people making 350+ on a sohc non vtec. after i hit my goal of 200hp on a stock motor, on goes the endyn charger and stroker motor. shooting for 300hp on lower boost levels.

 

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Dude ! 350+ on a sohc non vtec now that is kickass. I thought my engine

sucked ***** when I first ordered it, but reading this last statement above well, im sold.

How am I gonna cultivate 350 on a sohc though, I dont know if I have what it takes

to pull that off or even the resources around here to do it(good shop to tune)

Edit: oh and am I gonna have to buy a used one or where can I buy a new one i went to jackson site and couldnt find anything. Link ?


Modified by sohc88rex at 8:46 PM 6/6/2006

 

350 on the endyn charger, the jackson wont get that high.

heres a listing of chargers on the jackson racing site. http://www.jacksonracing.com/S...33370

 

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heres a listing of chargers on the jackson racing site. http://www.jacksonracing.com/S...33370 </TD></TR></TABLE>

correct, a jackson wont make those numbers on a sohc using the m45 blower...

but if you modify an m62 blower from a b series, im sure those numbers wont be too hard to acheive.

 

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correct, a jackson wont make those numbers on a sohc using the m45 blower...

but if you modify an m62 blower from a b series, im sure those numbers wont be too hard to acheive.

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*drools at thought of m62 on B*

thats possible?

 

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*drools at thought of m62 on B*

thats possible?
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thats what blower jackson uses on b series vtec motors and h22s.

endyn uses the m62 on their sohc blower kits.

 

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thats what blower jackson uses on b series vtec motors and h22s.

endyn uses the m62 on their sohc blower kits. </TD></TR></TABLE>Oh badass! I thought they all were m45s my mistake.

 

the LS/b20 charger kit is m45.

the sohc charger kit is m45.

the b series vtec is m62.

endyn kit for any engine is m62.

now you know why i want to ditch the m45 i have on my sohc.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the LS/b20 charger kit is m45.

the sohc charger kit is m45.

the b series vtec is m62.

endyn kit for any engine is m62.

now you know why i want to ditch the m45 i have on my sohc. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ahh ok thanks for the info

 

 

endyns kit use the M45 blower for the D-series. not the M62

 

is it possible to modify the M62 blower to fit a d16? just starting in the Supercharger world, definatly a turbo kid until a few weeks ago...

 

the M62 is HUGE.. im sure it's possible to make it fit but it would require a lot of skill fabrication.

 

what are you on dude? Please don't scare away another guy interested in supercharging his car, like a lot of the turbo guys do. it honestly is a lot more fun where there are different engine setups running around out there...
from N/A D series, to turbo B motors, High comp K24s, back down to little supercharged single cams, back to B series nonvtec w/ boost, and ALL MOTOR 1.8L with ITB's..... don't you like seeing different things as long as they are working and acheiving the goal the owner/builder wants? I used to be narrow-minded too until i actually got dirty and experienced these different setups first hand.
i'm speaking with them to buy one right now. I already have a supercharged motor, and i got hooked, so i'm building a 1.8L stroker sohc D16a6 and plan on buying the endyn m62 blower for it.

I would like to believe I know what I am about to purchase. It's not just some bullshit i read on the net somewhere...... oh wait, i got facts.

"Over the past few years, enthusiasts' have requested that we custom-build supercharger systems like the one run on my Civic for the last 8 years. We've responded by fabricating a limited number of the systems, which utilize the Eaton M62 superchargers." - Endyn

http://theoldone.com/component...s.htm


Photos of an m62 on a DOHC ZC next to an m45.




I sorta would like to know what I am talking about. I've done a lot of research and testing to prove that supercharging has potential... it was played out years ago due to the stock 4-5lb. jackson racing blowers, with people not really upgrading them and calling em crap..... either that, or all the negative attention that websites have caused blowers. I used to hear a ton of BS when i said i was going supercharged, all by people who have never owned one, driven one, rode in one, or raced against one. the same people read peak numbers of the dyno graphs and dismiss the blower because turbos are more efficiant.... honestly, below 4,000 where a lot of us do our daily driving, a turbo setup can't hold a candle to a supercharged car. I've owned both at the same time..... similar motor setups, same boost levels. supercharger's kill for daily driving.

check it out.


I wonder if i should consolidate this thread, the other one that i wrote my review and a brand new thread with some other facts that i gathered from the JRSC thread on H-T?

at least people would be able to find it..... just search my name.

as it is, i already get about 25 questions a week about superchargers..... honestly, i dont know everything about them, but i'm soaking it all in, and anyone who has PM'ed me can vouch that i'm always eager to offer my advice.

in a way, its kind of flattering..... I brought blowers back into the mix. honestly.... they really never left the scene, only the DIEHARD's have kept them and improved on the setups. the 165 page or so JRSC thread is proof enough.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1214810





Modified by STREETWERKZ at 12:41 AM 6/7/2006

 

this guy always now's what he's talking about. i vouche for him when i have a sc question i talk to him and gives great advice nice write up on the subject.

 

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knows.

vouch.

advice.


thanks buddy.

 

Ive asked streetwerkz questions as well and he gave me some advice.The charger definetly allows me to keep my a/c and i like that.Theres one for sale locally that the owner says works fine except for a bearing noise? what could that be.Post up your video streetwerkz