alright as stated i want to build a d16, bottom end for right now....i am in need of a sleeved block that soemone has or some resources to do this as inexpensively as possible.....a storebought predone block or where to get sleeves and how much to get them done......then any ideas of what brand of internals, rods pistons, bearing.......if i gotta have a "better" crank..or whatever..........BTW, this is gonna be on a college budget....so let's try to keep this as cheap as possible yet reliable as possible....

 

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another damn bump..anyone have some ideas for me......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themorphious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright as stated i want to build a d16, bottom end for right now....i am in need of a sleeved block that soemone has or some resources to do this as inexpensively as possible.....a storebought predone block or where to get sleeves and how much to get them done......then any ideas of what brand of internals, rods pistons, bearing.......if i gotta have a "better" crank..or whatever..........BTW, this is gonna be on a college budget....so let's try to keep this as cheap as possible yet reliable as possible.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, this is a pointless question until you list your power goals. Stock d-series motors are generally accepted to handle 220-230 hp with a perfect tune. If you plan on going higher than this, i would suggest building the motor. As for the sleeving of the block, i hear good things about benson sleeved blocks. I have never personally had one but i hear good things about their work, but they can be a bit expensive especially on a college budget. In the future, if you want more replies be more specific about your questions or no one will reply.

 

yea. what are your goals??
you can achieve 250whp on a good condition dseries without pushing it too hard.

if you're looking for 300whp+ then i would recommend building it.
you can search through the classifieds and possibly find a d-series that is sleeved and maybe one that is built and ready to go.

just remember that it isnt gonna come cheap. especially when building a higher horsepower setup. building the motor alone will cost you a good amount. after which you'll need the turbo setup to provide you with the numbers you're hoping for.

this isnt an HF manifold ($50) and 14b ($75) setup.

 

i dont know what i was saying i guess......was really tired...anyways im just wanting more of a list of where to get a d series block sleeved....about 400 hp or so......is my goal....and wanting all my options and their prices too.......BTW, i dont know the short terms for a web address......i need it typed out if possible...unless i can just type the name of the web address in google or something....thanks in advance.....camp 1320 has them for like 775 installed.....not final honed or anything but that's fine........any better ideas or some bad things about them or no?

 

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The price for sleeving a block is generally around $1000. You really don't need sleeves until you try to push 400+ on a d-series.

It is much more economical to get a b18c1 motor, slap some pistons/rods in there, and boost it. Sleeving is when you're serious, and a 'college budget' leaves no room for ruining a very expensive sleeved block.

Based on what I've experienced from others jumping into forced injuction and trying for big numbers, its highly likely you will fail. Start small, then go big.

 

your very wrong. if your going above 325hp on a stock block or 17 lbs on a decent sized turbo then you need sleeves.

The D sleeves will crack easier than the B sleeves.

You realize that going for 400 hp is going to cost you a ton of $ right?
everything from engine to driveling, suspension, breaking, engine management, fueling everything msut be upgraded. you can't drop 400hp on a stock car and expect it to last antime at all.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themorphious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont know what i was saying i guess......was really tired...anyways im just wanting more of a list of where to get a d series block sleeved....about 400 hp or so......is my goal....and wanting all my options and their prices too.......BTW, i dont know the short terms for a web address......i need it typed out if possible...unless i can just type the name of the web address in google or something....thanks in advance.....camp 1320 has them for like 775 installed.....not final honed or anything but that's fine........any better ideas or some bad things about them or no?</TD></TR></TABLE>

it sounds like you want someone to do all the research for you... it's not gonna happen man.

a lot of people have reached and surpassed the 400whp mark and their setups are available (if you search). in order to build or maintain a single cam w/ even 300whp, you'll need to know what's going on.

if you take the time to do some research on this very site, you'll learn a lot! you will find many companies that sleeve blocks and some can even build your complete motor (but it wont be on a college student budget, unless you are one wealthy college student).


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oscarmayer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your very wrong. if your going above 325hp on a stock block or 17 lbs on a decent sized turbo then you need sleeves.

The D sleeves will crack easier than the B sleeves.

You realize that going for 400 hp is going to cost you a ton of $ right?
everything from engine to driveling, suspension, breaking, engine management, fueling everything msut be upgraded. you can't drop 400hp on a stock car and expect it to last antime at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont think you'll need sleeves at 325whp. pretty funny how all you ever talk about is sleeves and headwork, but you never mention tuning.

stock sohc sleeves can hold 350whp and possibly more provided that you have a good tune (or great tune).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oscarmayer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your very wrong. if your going above 325hp on a stock block or 17 lbs on a decent sized turbo then you need sleeves.

The D sleeves will crack easier than the B sleeves.

You realize that going for 400 hp is going to cost you a ton of $ right?
everything from engine to driveling, suspension, breaking, engine management, fueling everything msut be upgraded. you can't drop 400hp on a stock car and expect it to last antime at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why would D sleeves be any weaker? Same material and thicker than a B18's no?

 

stock sleeves will be good for at least 500 hp im in process of building my d16 motor for 400 you should check out http://www.turbod16.com it will help you alot better for d series motor help than here but goodluck

 

I've seen a few D setups now on 400+hp with stock sleeves. Tuning is everything and more.

My overall goal will be 400+whp, but I'm new to turbo so I'm shooting for 180-200 on a T3 .60trim first.

 

that 60 be good for 400 to when you go up thats what i wanna get 60trim at least

 

every D that has been ran on 350 or more with agian a decent siced turbo not a tiny one being over boosted mind you has cracked due to cyclinders walking and pressures.

the tiny bore and longer stroke make it prine to walking thus causing cracking.

yes tune makes a difference, but again how many of you actually build a car for racing only here? hands? sound off?
1, 2?
then the rest need to start thinking about what it takes to be "STABLE" for streeet use not jsut racing or dynoing.

there's a big difference in dyno power and real world street driving on a motor. one is a fully controlled and temp controllled eniroment where the tuner is doing 1 thing. the otehr is radical go stop go stop shift all kinds of ways, and tons of heat and cold.

think about it...

 

thats where a daily driver comes in when u need it but i know what you mean

 

So whats the highest/safest PSI that you could run on a completely stock, unbuilt D- series motor with say a Greddy kit and was only used for daily driving???? How much HP we looking at here??

 

you can max out the greddy kit on completly stock D16 and be fine, as long as you have injectors and the proper tuning.

Benson has sleeves for ~950, and i highly recommend their work. very top notch.

if you are on a collage kid budget, turbo is not your game, let alone 400whp on a D-series- Trust us....

platinum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can max out the greddy kit on completly stock D16 and be fine, as long as you have injectors and the proper tuning.

Benson has sleeves for ~950, and i highly recommend their work. very top notch.

if you are on a collage kid budget, turbo is not your game, let alone 400whp on a D-series- Trust us....

platinum.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I took a year off so I could build my car.

Oh, and a simple solution to having a high horsepower Dseries on the street is simply to daily drive with low boost. Keep it safe on the street, turn it up on the track.

 

yep turn the boost down or go for engine build for mad nitrous!!! then you have daily driver and when want to feel the speed hit the button and your gone!!!