Well im trying to build an H23 block for 800 HP i want to know what sleeves are best ive heard that darton and benson make really good ones but i was wondering if there were some that ive never heard of. would like to see 650-750 to the wheels

Set up for 800 hp
Sleeved block
96 h22 crank (bigger main journals)
Arias 9.2:1 pistons going for 9.8:1 compression
Crower Rods
Prodrive oil pump (dry sump)
crower turbo cams (already have titanium crower srings and retainers)
T-70 ballbearing turbo 30-35 psi
44mm hks wastegate
already have a REVhard custom tubular manifold expensive but worth it
probably run a megasquirt standalone
1200cc injectors
305 lph pump with stainless braided fuel line 8an
oversized ferrera stainless steel valves
clutchmasters stage 4 twin disk clutch
and a built tranny(stronger shift forks, cryotreated gears a syncro's, quaife LSD)

and 10 million dollars later it might be ready let me know what u guys think thanks

 

Somebody will probably chime in with Golden Eagles sleeves. I choose Bensons for my build.

http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/sleeving.htm

 

yeah bensons seem to be the best i know a lot of people that have used his sleeves and they love them. but only bad thing is that the shop i work for said that he's booked until september and i would like to get the block built and in the car in a month or 2 not gunna run boost on it for break in. Im gunna finish the block then save money to built the turbo kit fuel system etc.

 

contact the moderator earl, i believe his shop sells benson sleeved blocks and may be able to get it quicker, also, as far as i know 92-97 cranks are 50mm, the 98+ cranks are the 55mm main journals, so you may want to rethink the 96 crank....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude of pre 2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Set up for 800 hp
Sleeved block
96 h22 crank (bigger main journals)
Arias 9.2:1 pistons going for 9.8:1 compression
Crower Rods
Prodrive oil pump (dry sump)
crower turbo cams (already have titanium crower srings and retainers)
T-70 ballbearing turbo 30-35 psi
44mm hks wastegate
already have a REVhard custom tubular manifold expensive but worth it
probably run a megasquirt standalone
1200cc injectors
305 lph pump with stainless braided fuel line 8an
oversized ferrera stainless steel valves
clutchmasters stage 4 twin disk clutch
and a built tranny(stronger shift forks, cryotreated gears a syncro's, quaife LSD)

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1) You can't run a crank with bigger mains, unless you custom cut the block or whatever.

2) The Prodrive pump has a "iffy" reputation for failing at high HP levels. And it won't be a dry sump if it's Prodrive. Prodrive is just a beefed up OEM replacement.

3) T-70 turbo? I hope it's not a MasterTurbo or even worse, SSAC turbo. Go with a tried and true GT42R, or go home.

4) Why go with Megasquirt when you have Hondata that has all the tuning features you need, plus OEM compatibility?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Somebody will probably chime in with Golden Eagles sleeves. I choose Bensons for my build.

http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/sleeving.htm</TD></TR></TABLE>

benson is nice. after what happened to a friend of mine, i couldnt buy from GE. Although i know they do good work.

to the original poster......

do you really have intentions of doing this or is this just a thread so you can spout off about something that you are dreaming to do?

 

made*

 

Darton MID's.

If you are interested in them or the install drop me a PM. I'm an authorized distributor.

 

yes i am very serious about this build im just waiting to get the block to the machine shop im probalby just gunna run a big shot of nitrous on it at first until i can get the money to put together a nice turbo kit. The 93-95 blocks have the smaller cranks 96 and up have the larger cranks i did my research and yes the prodrive isnt a dry sump my bad. thanx for the imput guys bensons are pry the way ill go ill post #'s and graphs when the build is done hopefully gunna be a weekend worrior at the track and on the street

 

and t-70 turbo size is what im looking for the map fits my application almost perfect doesnt neccasarilly have to be a T-70. and as far as hondata and megasqirt i know the guy in town who personally does megasquirt and he's one of the best tuners around and he does it for fairly cheap 1000 dollars installed and tuned

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude of pre 2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and t-70 turbo size is what im looking for the map fits my application almost perfect doesnt neccasarilly have to be a T-70. and as far as hondata and megasqirt i know the guy in town who personally does megasquirt and he's one of the best tuners around and he does it for fairly cheap 1000 dollars installed and tuned </TD></TR></TABLE>

Looks like you got your heart set on mediocre stuff, but whatever floats your boat. Post up numbers when you're done.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude of pre 2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes i am very serious about this build im just waiting to get the block to the machine shop im probalby just gunna run a big shot of nitrous on it at first until i can get the money to put together a nice turbo kit. The 93-95 blocks have the smaller cranks 96 and up have the larger cranks i did my research and yes the prodrive isnt a dry sump my bad. thanx for the imput guys bensons are pry the way ill go ill post #'s and graphs when the build is done hopefully gunna be a weekend worrior at the track and on the street</TD></TR></TABLE>

holy **** dude, stop doing your research at clubsi.com......

*93 crank part #: 13310-P13-305
94: 13310-P0F-000
95: 13310-P0F-000
96: 13310-P0F-000
97: 13310-P0F-000
98: 13310-P5M-000
99: 13310-P5M-000
00: 13310-P5M-000
01: 13310-P5M-000

well then, 95-96 appear to have the same part #'s, and so does 97, and then in 98 the part # changes until the prelude dies in 01, so, 93 (92 jdm) - 97 has the same cranks with the 50mm mains, and 98+ have the same cranks with the 55mm mains

*the only difference between 93 (92 & 93 jdm) and 94-97 cranks is the fact that 93 had a different crank pulley bolt that is threaded differently, different length i think, and is torqued to a different amount

if you STILL dont believe me, http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com, http://www.slhondaparts.com, owners link on http://www.honda.com, or call up your local honda dealership

 

well you really went out of your way to prove me wrong but i read in HCI magazine rage performance says the 96 cranks are bigger thats what i go by they are a well known h-series engine builder mabey you can E-mail them and tell them they are wrong too. mabey they are, misprints do happen not trying to be a smart *** but i trust rage performance i might even have them do my block.

and I quote "the '93-'95 H22 blocks had small crank journals, the '96-and-up blocks have larger crank journals. Take a guess as to which one you want when you're running 725 Hp."

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude of pre 2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and I quote "the '93-'95 H22 blocks had small crank journals, the '96-and-up blocks have larger crank journals. Take a guess as to which one you want when you're running 725 Hp."</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which block do you have now?

A1 blocks are closed deck, and have handled well over 700whp when sleeved, despite their 5mm short comings in main journal size. A4 motors are open deck.

Basically, if you're putting down enough power to warrant the need for additional material in the main journals, you have BIGGER problems to deal with first.

 

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Which block do you have now?

A1 blocks are closed deck, and have handled well over 700whp when sleeved, despite their 5mm short comings in main journal size. A4 motors are open deck.

Basically, if you're putting down enough power to warrant the need for additional material in the main journals, you have BIGGER problems to deal with first. </TD></TR></TABLE>

closed/open deck wont matter anyways because he has to resleeve the block for that kind of power, so stock open/closed deck is lost

the only differences are:
92-95 - obd I, 96 - obd IIa, 97+ - obd IIb
92-93 - crank pulley bolt compared to 94+ - crank pulley bolts
92-97 - 50 mm mains 98+ - 55 mm mains
92-96 - closed deck 97+ - open deck

92-01 - stroke the same
92-01 - rods/pistons/compression same (for usdm)
minor differences in things like LMA's, 5th gen intake diameter is 3inches, 4th gen is a tad bit smaller, and then various sensors for obd I/II compliance

other than that, the major differences are things like atts blocks vs. non atts (same specs, just things like oil filter and sensors are relocated for atts), injectors 4th vs. 5th gen, gear ratios 4th vs. 5th gen, compression us vs. jdm vs. jdm type-s

its not that im trying to prove you or hci wrong, someone 3 months from now may be searching (yes it happens) and find this thread, then they base a decsion for a crankshaft only off of 1 source (first mistake), have a 96 h22/h23 block, buy a f23 crank, and then come to find out f23 has 55mm mains and the 96 block they got has 50mm mains, and then theyre pissed.....plus with all the money youre going to be spending, the last thing you need is to balance/micropolish your 50mm 96 crank and find out it wont work in your 98-01 h22 block with the 55mm journals

youre welcome

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude of pre 2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well you really went out of your way to prove me wrong but i read in HCI magazine rage performance says the 96 cranks are bigger thats what i go by they are a well known h-series engine builder mabey you can E-mail them and tell them they are wrong too. mabey they are, misprints do happen not trying to be a smart *** but i trust rage performance i might even have them do my block.

and I quote "the '93-'95 H22 blocks had small crank journals, the '96-and-up blocks have larger crank journals. Take a guess as to which one you want when you're running 725 Hp."</TD></TR></TABLE>

HCI is wrong and was probably misinformed by the owner of the engine you are talking about. The only way you could run a 98+ crank in the h23a1 block would be to machine it to fit. 98+ are 55mm and 92-97 are 50mm as twistedbydesign has mentioned. I have build countless numbers of H series engines that have made gobs of power.

Don't believe me? Go to http://www.slhondaparts.com and cross-referencing crank #'s.

 

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The only way you could run a 98+ crank in the h23a1 block would be to machine it to fit. 98+ are 55mm and 92-97 are 50mm as twistedbydesign has mentioned. I have build countless numbers of H series engines that have made gobs of power.

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Fixed it for ya.

 

well thanx for all the help guys it is very much appreciated pry just stick with h23a1 stock crank and hopefully the crank is ok cause it spun a rod bearing i think it can pry be turned and micropolished and have the oil holes chamfered.

another question can h22 oil squirters be used in a h23 block i dont see y they wouldnt but just want to make sure b4 i get the assembly and it doesnt bolt up

 

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That's what I meant. Life gets confusing when you are posting on honda-tech and trying to enjoy the beach at the same time

 

gimme a beer. I know you got one in your hand if you are chillin on the beach

 

aebs work for me

 

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That's what I meant. Life gets confusing when you are posting on honda-tech and trying to enjoy the beach at the same time </TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF are you still doing on H-T?! I'd be chasing beach bunnies and putting lotion on bare backs and inbetween thighs by now!

 

golden eagle, no q's asked