Car: Acura RSX-S

(2) alarms are :

1. Viper 5000
2. Viper 791xv

Im not using remote start so that doesnt matter to me. I plan to get a Backup Module 520T for either alarm. I also already have a new audio sensor 506t which my friend gave me for free.


The 5000 has 2 sensor ports while the 791xv only has one. The 5000 needs a hoodpin switch while the 791 already has one. Im having a hard time deciding.

-Whats better, an internal or external shock sensor?

-What sensors should I add??


I was looking at this website which I think is made by suspendedhatch.
http://www.vsracing.net/~suspended/


I had to post here because the audio/security forum is dead and I need this alarm asap because of what happened (see signature).

 

Good job posting this again.

 

i just ordered the 791xv.....

 

If you don't want remote start, and you don't want to pay for remote start that you're not using, then get the Viper 5000. It's a slightly superior alarm anyway.

Obvious answer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suspendedHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you don't want remote start, and you don't want to pay for remote start that you're not using, then get the Viper 5000. It's a slightly superior alarm anyway.

Obvious answer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

why is the 5000 superior? and what is better internal or external shock sensor and WHY?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thrty8street &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

why is the 5000 superior? and what is better internal or external shock sensor and WHY?</TD></TR></TABLE>

its better because youre not paying extra for something you dont want (remote start)..
internal shock sensor is controlled by the remote where as the external shock sensor is adjusted by a small screw driver on the assembly itself...at least thats what someone told me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nocturnal EG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

its better because youre not paying extra for something you dont want (remote start)..
internal shock sensor is controlled by the remote where as the external shock sensor is adjusted by a small screw driver on the assembly itself...at least thats what someone told me </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes i know that but which one will be more effective?

 

ffs just get the 5000 and be done with it

 

the brain on the 5000 will need to be mounted in a central location in the car so the internal sensor will pick up impacts to the car more evenly. the 791 comes with a 504d ext. sensor ,so you can mount the brain where ever and put the sensor in a central location. ive been selling and installing viper alarms over 10 years, i would recomend going with the 5000 because the 791 need the remote start wires connected (the ignition anyway) for the brain to reset with ign. like it should. their is a way around this but it was designed to be used entirely. on the 5000, the sensor is adjustable by remote, the sensors you add have their own screen icons that are programable by a bitwriter, dei is making a garage door interface for it , it also has a delayed accessory output that when connected keeps your radio's acc. line energized until you open and close your door, so you still have music until you leave your vehicle.( my old viper 800 used to do this, everyone that noticed it thought it was hot) and it has many many many more features.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 5THGENSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the brain on the 5000 will need to be mounted in a central location in the car so the internal sensor will pick up impacts to the car more evenly. the 791 comes with a 504d ext. sensor ,so you can mount the brain where ever and put the sensor in a central location. ive been selling and installing viper alarms over 10 years, i would recomend going with the 5000 because the 791 need the remote start wires connected (the ignition anyway) for the brain to reset with ign. like it should. their is a way around this but it was designed to be used entirely. on the 5000, the sensor is adjustable by remote, the sensors you add have their own screen icons that are programable by a bitwriter, dei is making a garage door interface for it , it also has a delayed accessory output that when connected keeps your radio's acc. line energized until you open and close your door, so you still have music until you leave your vehicle.( my old viper 800 used to do this, everyone that noticed it thought it was hot) and it has many many many more features.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks alot for the help im getting the 5000

 

"the brain on the 5000 will need to be mounted in a central location in the car so the internal sensor will pick up impacts to the car more evenly."

Not true. I don't put much stake in shock sensors anyway, but the location of the shock sensor doesn't matter. The surface it is mounted to does. I test shock sensors by kicking the sidewall of one of the tires with my heel. If it triggers a warn response, it's good. If it doesn't, I change the surface the shock sensor is mounted to, not the location. All four tires will cause the same reaction. I generally leave the adjustment alone unless several days later, I notice that the shock sensor is causing false alarms.

There is very little difference between one DEI alarm and another as far as effectiveness at preventing theft. The differences between these two particular alarms are more important to the installer than the end user. The end user will likely never percieve of any difference. For someone that does true stealth installs, not under the dash installs, the 5000 is better because it doesn't have the bulky relay satellilte with the 10 gauge wires. It doesn't have the flat ribbon cable that sticks out like a sore thumb and isn't easily tucked into a loom. You could still do a stealthy install with the 791, but you'll likely have to mount the brain behind the cluster (possible on EGs only), or hide it in the center console or behind the glovebox, both of which are pretty easily accessible if the thief can trace the wiring back in that direction.

If you're not using remote start, you don't buy a remote start alarm.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suspendedHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but the location of the shock sensor doesn't matter. The surface it is mounted to does. </TD></TR></TABLE> the surface it is mounted to does matter but, ive seen many systems with internal sensors where the brain is up over a kick panel and does not pick up impacts evenly. for instance you can hit the car on the side the brain is on and it seems too sensitive, go to the other side and hit it and you have to hit it twice as hard for the same response. but in alot of cases putting the brain more towards the center of the dash will help resolve this issue. but as with any thing else in installation it can vary from car to car. also most people I know test shock sensors by hitting the glass or the trim between windows(something other than body panels to prevent denting the vehicle), as this is where cars are broken into, not through a tire! and that is the reason for a shock sensor so if someone hits your car as to break their way in or cause damage to body panels. their is a tilt/motion sensor for rims and tires, and a field proximity if you want to warn them before they can hit it or jack it up. their is also a glass break snesor to further help with detection of broken glass, so if the glass is broken without impact but by other means(porcelin, or center punch), and lastly their is an infrasonic pressure sensor to determine a change in atmospheric pressure in side the car( also such as busting a glass or opening a door or hatch).
anyway im not trying to bust your *****, just sharing my side of how me and the people ive installed with view it.

 

i just recieved my 791 in the mail. its gonna be a while before it gets installed but hey , i have it at least.