link http://www.roadracingworld.com...25781


looks like it time for me to go helmet shopping


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Modified by Rednas at 12:06 PM 5/18/2006


Modified by Rednas at 12:07 PM 5/18/2006

 

I had never heard of HJC...

 

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really? Easily one of the most common helmets I see.

 

Haha 'Boosted R 25' is selling one of EACH!

 

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i saw that too - lol

great timing

 

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I agree form the current batch of merchandise, but in a historical context I had never heard of them... not like AGV, Bell, Arai, Shoei etc

 

I'm glad I don't rock an HJC

 

Loudon is a dangerous track to start with, I wouldn't want to be ripping around there in a plastic street helmet anyway.

Shoei and Arai f0 life!

Edit: Change the first post to a link, JU is a great guy and runs an awesome site and it's clear by the huge copyright notice that he wants hits to his pages not just cut and pasted. It was either conveniently left out or added after to the page by JU

 

I have a CL... awesome.

 

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so do I, I already found a helmet I want just need to find a shop that carries them.

 

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The discussion on the wera bbs goes on to say:

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That's directly from one of the heads of WERA.

Edit: By failure they were taking about the plastic shell cracking/exploding or whatever visual evidence of failure you'd need.

 

Dang I feel bad, I sold my old CL-SP last month to my coworker. But he uses it for caged racing, so...

 

you get what you pay for

 

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if you have a $129.99 head wear a $129.99 helmet

 

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Same here.

I'm not too happy with the fit, and I had been planning on replacing it with a Shoei RF-1000. I guess I'll do that a little sooner

 

I have a CS-12...oh well...ill still rock it...

weird, the article says the CS only passes DOT; but on my helmet and sites it says it passes SNELL too...

 

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weird, the article says the CS only passes DOT; but on my helmet and sites it says it passes SNELL too... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have about as much faith in the SNELL certification as I do in a used car salesman.

 

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I have about as much faith in the SNELL certification as I do in a used car salesman.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i understand...i was reading that their tests are kinda bs and BSI iirc are better? idk, i guess just keep sticky side down and you will always be safe...

 

NICE..my spare helmet is a cl-14. Guess I need a new helmet for my passengers.

 

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They aren't saying it's not a safe helmet.

They are saying that it's not a good enough choice to go racing in.

I think they do mention that the crashes were lowsides but even with that in mind the speed involved was probably greater than your average street rider would do around a corner especially one with a passenger in tow.

 

Glad I just ordered a X-11

Eric

 

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Is the track asphalt softer than street asphalt?

 

I have a Z1R

 

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No but the chances of crashing are higher at the track and often times the speeds are higher.

 

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No but the chances of crashing are higher at the track and often times the speeds are higher.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The chances of crashing may be greater, but imho it doesn't matter. You're wearing the helmet for one wreck and one wreck only. Whether the chances are 5% or 95% that you'll go down that day the ground is going to be exactly the same.

That said, the speeds are also irrelevant. The forceful impact in a motorcycle accident results from the acceleration of the riders' head to the ground - a vertical distance which remains relatively static (especially in the event of a lowside). The increased speeds that the riders are travelling at a track only plays into the helmets' abraison resistance qualities (I haven't heard about an abraison resistance problem in... ever). A highside condition usually increases the riders vertical distance to the ground but there's every bit as much chance for a highside to occur on the street as there is on a track; if you wanted to argue that point it's probably got some wiggle room, but any decreased probability of a highside would only be offset by the increased probability of a serious impact from a car, being launched into the air BY a car, or a retaining wall.

I'm also going to call HJC's bluff on the press statement (covered in the newer thread). As a whole, motorcycle racers value their safety equipment far more than street riders do [this does not mean that street riders don't, but that you'll find more street riders that don't care than you will racers that don't]. I'm not counting track day ****** because the accidents in question were racing based. From what I have seen the vast majority of motorcycle racers wear upper echelon helmets like Shoei, Arai, and Suomy lids. I also guarantee you WERA has also seen more than 5 crashes this year. I obviously don't have statistics for how many people wore what helmets (neither does HJC) . Bearing this in mind, though, the chances that a random rider going down will be wearing an HJC lid during a race substantially decrease from the "vastly most popular" style claim that HJC is staking their reputation on (nice to know that a helmet manufacturer is trying to convince you that their helmets are just fine by playing to your ignorance of the racing field, 'eh? If they've got nothing elseo to say then quite frankly I'm worried). I would also wager than the not only are HJC's not as popular in racing circles as they are on the street, but that they are far LESS popular than other brands. What does that say about the five injuries now?

Bottom line: until somebody proves that these helmets are safe I will stick with the opinion that they are far from it. If you want to believe otherwise then please, you're entitled to your opinion. Rmemeber this, however, if the helmets are not safe are you willing to take the risk that you'll turn into a vegetable when you go down?

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i understand...i was reading that their tests are kinda bs and BSI iirc are better? </TD></TR></TABLE>


That's correct. I used the used car salesman analogy because SNELL is nothing more sales tool and address just about Zero of the current concerns and developments in the helmet industry.

-Andrew, who just retired his RF1000 for an Arai Quantum 2.